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Old 08-03-2008
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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Discussion of the issues? Seems Obama is the only one giving details about what he'd do, and what needs to be done...instead of the spin and innuendo doled out by McCain.
The 3 debates following the conventions, will place the proverbial nail in someone's coffin. It was mentioned that Reagan didn't seal the deal until his final debate, 7 days before the election in '80.
Don't worry, the issues will be discussed, at least by one camp.
As to change you can believe in....some will never convert, even though the writing is on the wall. You know.....altered states.
He is? I cannot keep track of what he is for and not for on a weekly basis. On FOX today they ran a blurb as to his newly found east coast drilling platform, no pun intended.....late to the race on that one I'd say....when you tell me how he stands on wire tapping, gun control, payroll tax, capital gains, Iraq, let me know.

hes into change alright, on a weekly basis.
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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You know.....altered states.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you clarify please?
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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As he stated, why should he give McCain the limelight he would get by having townhall debates, when he is ahead in the polls. He already agreed to 3 debates following the conventions. He is out to win the election, not to give his opponent any breaks. Would John McCain give him a break, if the tables were turned? Hell, no.
People have to be kidding themselves if they think Obama is scared of facing McCain. The guy faced off against Hillary in like 21 debates, and fared quite well. He was like over 25 points behind her at the time of the first debates, and had nearly clinched the nomination by the end of them.

The only reason Obama didn't do the town halls with McCain is that McCain needs the media attention more than Obama does. In any case, the only people who really follow presidential politics in the summer are the diehards like the people on this forum, who cover every tit-4-tat.

I'm happy enough with 3 debates after the conventions. You can only learn so much from a debate, and 3 are plenty enough to learn about the candidates. Plus, anything more than 3 would just get repetitive and annoying, as both sides just go over all their talking points, no matter what the question.
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

Obama didn't agree to the town hall's because he's a chickenshit little bitch.

If he's "so much better" than McCain, then he shouldn't be concerned with giving McCain any "limelight" and, instead, should use them to finally destroy his opponent.

But, because he's a chickenshit little bitch, he won't do it.

He knows he's woefully unprepared for unscripted dialog, so he shuns it with a vengeance...
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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People have to be kidding themselves if they think Obama is scared of facing McCain. The guy faced off against Hillary in like 21 debates, and fared quite well. He was like over 25 points behind her at the time of the first debates, and had nearly clinched the nomination by the end of them.

The only reason Obama didn't do the town halls with McCain is that McCain needs the media attention more than Obama does. In any case, the only people who really follow presidential politics in the summer are the diehards like the people on this forum, who cover every tit-4-tat.

I'm happy enough with 3 debates after the conventions. You can only learn so much from a debate, and 3 are plenty enough to learn about the candidates. Plus, anything more than 3 would just get repetitive and annoying, as both sides just go over all their talking points, no matter what the question.
DNC debates in a far left wing (I'm sorry. I guess we're supposed to call them 'Progressives' now ) controlled nominating process are a different animal from unscripted town halls in front of the whole of the American people, who are mostly in the middle.

You're last para about 3 debates is exactly why we should have something unscripted.
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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People have to be kidding themselves if they think Obama is scared of facing McCain. The guy faced off against Hillary in like 21 debates, and fared quite well. He was like over 25 points behind her at the time of the first debates, and had nearly clinched the nomination by the end of them.

The only reason Obama didn't do the town halls with McCain is that McCain needs the media attention more than Obama does. In any case, the only people who really follow presidential politics in the summer are the diehards like the people on this forum, who cover every tit-4-tat.

I'm happy enough with 3 debates after the conventions. You can only learn so much from a debate, and 3 are plenty enough to learn about the candidates. Plus, anything more than 3 would just get repetitive and annoying, as both sides just go over all their talking points, no matter what the question.
If he could hand McCain his ass, why wouldn't he take the opportunity? Your perception doesn't wash.
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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People have to be kidding themselves if they think Obama is scared of facing McCain. The guy faced off against Hillary in like 21 debates, and fared quite well. He was like over 25 points behind her at the time of the first debates, and had nearly clinched the nomination by the end of them.

The only reason Obama didn't do the town halls with McCain is that McCain needs the media attention more than Obama does. In any case, the only people who really follow presidential politics in the summer are the diehards like the people on this forum, who cover every tit-4-tat.

I'm happy enough with 3 debates after the conventions. You can only learn so much from a debate, and 3 are plenty enough to learn about the candidates. Plus, anything more than 3 would just get repetitive and annoying, as both sides just go over all their talking points, no matter what the question.
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Precisely.
Precisely? And what about those of us who are undecided and want to know more about the candidates? Screw us, right? That's not a very wise move consdering we are the ones who will likely decide this election.
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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People have to be kidding themselves if they think Obama is scared of facing McCain. The guy faced off against Hillary in like 21 debates, and fared quite well. He was like over 25 points behind her at the time of the first debates, and had nearly clinched the nomination by the end of them.

The only reason Obama didn't do the town halls with McCain is that McCain needs the media attention more than Obama does. In any case, the only people who really follow presidential politics in the summer are the diehards like the people on this forum, who cover every tit-4-tat.
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Wasn't the liberals just whining last week that McCain was being shown favorable treatment by the media and the media was bias against Obama.

Now they are claiming Obama doesnt need the media attention because he is getting favorable attention.

New Neutral Media Study: Media Biased Against Obama
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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Like you?

Wasn't the liberals just whining last week that McCain was being shown favorable treatment by the media and the media was bias against Obama.

Now they are claiming Obama doesnt need the media attention because he is getting favorable attention.

New Neutral Media Study: Media Biased Against Obama
I think the most interesting thing about this is that McCain's campaign isn't really generating much news at the moment, so the media is focusing on Obama. That's actually not a bad ploy from McCain's point of view as the intense scrutiny on Obama is arguably doing him more harm than good. Mind you, McCain needs to start getting some air-time or people may forget he is even running.
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Re: Obama: Not Enough Time for Town Halls

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DNC debates in a far left wing (I'm sorry. I guess we're supposed to call them 'Progressives' now ) controlled nominating process are a different animal from unscripted town halls in front of the whole of the American people, who are mostly in the middle.

You're last para about 3 debates is exactly why we should have something unscripted.
I think 3 unscripted debates would be great. I'm recalling the debate they did in that West Wing episode. It took up the whole hour, and the candidates were simply allowed to just go. Back and forth, about their visions. I'd love to see the debates split into foreign and then domestic policies, and then have a third debate that's just an overall kinda thing. That would be exciting, and it seems too much to ask in today's culture.
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I think the most interesting thing about this is that McCain's campaign isn't really generating much news at the moment, so the media is focusing on Obama. That's actually not a bad ploy from McCain's point of view as the intense scrutiny on Obama is arguably doing him more harm than good. Mind you, McCain needs to start getting some air-time or people may forget he is even running.

Just wait, McCain will say something stupid like "illegals deserve food-stamps" and the media will be all over him for it.

I said it this morning after church to some family members who are voting BHO and will say it again here. This election is Obama's to lose.

I still think Hillary has something up her sleeve or a GOP 527 group on Obama. He has a checkered past that might come back to haunt him.

Other than that, I believe this will be another Clinton vs Dole.
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I think the most interesting thing about this is that McCain's campaign isn't really generating much news at the moment, so the media is focusing on Obama. That's actually not a bad ploy from McCain's point of view as the intense scrutiny on Obama is arguably doing him more harm than good. Mind you, McCain needs to start getting some air-time or people may forget he is even running.
I agree. The more media coverage Obama gets the more the mass of people in the middle of the political spectrum will be turned off. On a whole host of issues.

He knows that too, which is why he sticks with the fawning soft ball media and no real attempt to engage the American people in a discussion of issues.
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This doesn't look good at all. I hope people keep putting pressure on him about this.
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I think the most interesting thing about this is that McCain's campaign isn't really generating much news at the moment, so the media is focusing on Obama. That's actually not a bad ploy from McCain's point of view as the intense scrutiny on Obama is arguably doing him more harm than good. Mind you, McCain needs to start getting some air-time or people may forget he is even running.
The risk that McCain is taking with that is that by making this campaign into a referendum about Obama, a lot of people will get to know him and see if he seems levelheaded enough to be competent as a President.

The only times that polls mean anything in the summer is when one candidate just completely starts to lose it and a public perception is formed that can hardly be undone. Dukakis had something like a 15 point lead on Bush in '88, and that changed immediately. Nearly happened to Carter in '76 when he was ahead by 20% and only won by 2.

What the polls have told us in first third of this campaign is that both candidates are liked better than the current President is. And since neither candidate has made any real gains (Obama leads by 5 or 6, then it fluctuates down a bit, and then goes back up and so on) It looks like all we have to wait for is where much of the middle ground goes, which seems to consistently account for about 10 to 12% of the vote, and they won't be a factor until after the conventions are done in September. And since the conventions are so close this year, we probably won't see either candidate getting that much of a bounce. This is all coming down to the undecideds this year, and unless somebody really starts to mess up, we're likely to see another election decided within the margin of error. McCain still has work to do, especially in individual states, where the electoral college heavily favors Obama right now.
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