You know, someone could read that statement and reach the conclusion that you don't think Obama is being negative.

You don't believe that, do you?

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I think he is but to a much more limited extent. He certainly hasn't gone as far as McCain has in the last week.

When Obama tells people that McCain and the right will use the fact that Obama "doesn't look like those other Presidents on the money", that's going directly to race, and it's accusing McCain of doing something he simply has not done.

The extent to which they do it is secondary to me. That they do it at all is what matters...

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That's because they're both in love with each other....

For me its the other way round, i would take any of those 3 and Bill Clinton too over this pair. McCain has not been a successful Senator, he has been one of the worst and that's saying something by the standards of the current idiotic GOP crop in Congress.

And as for Obama, he's running for Change as the Washington outsider, of which, if he were to be elected, would make him the first incumbent DC Senator to be elected President since JFK. This guy is a bigger Washinton prostitute than the DC madam, how stupid does he take his fans as being?

I know that do. What really bothers me is how much these guys made a point of running a different kind of campaign. Just paying lip service I guess. Ultimately I blame negative advertising not only on the campaigns but also on the public. If they where not effective then they wouldn't be used.

How has McCain been one of the worst exactly? I don't see it.

And yes Obama is a senator which makes the statement but then again he hasn't been one all that long which is the only instance I could see that as a positive. I don't really view all in Washington with one generalization but rather as individuals. Why do people assume that politicians at the state level are any better anyway? They certainly are not here in Kentucky. Anyway I see the whole Washington outsider as being something that sounds good rather than something that means anything. People respond better to generalities though.

Its not the state that's the issue, its the executor, we haven't had a non executor since JFK and he lasted 2 and a half years,

But the fact that he has been in DC for such a short time just ridicules it further...the last "change" he made was to get into the DC circuit he dispises so much, the irony is comical.

As for McCain, everything he touches is a disaster, Campign finance, immigration etc, whatever he makes an issue of, goes completely wrong!

Well J.F.K. was killed which says nothing about him not being able to lead and you hoping for the death of Obama is one of the lowest things I have read on this site in a long time and that is saying something these days.

Yeah it does say something....still everyone makes an issue of how close McCain is to death and why he shouldn't be President because of it, and i think its only fair to point out Obama's too. Maybe it is unfair, after all i just met the guy a week ago, so rather than wish it i guess i should just commentate on it.

Btw in fairness i am also equally excited by the prospect of McCain dying too....

I think that every president has a group out hoping for something like that. Obama's just happens to be a different one. I do think McCain's health is a concern but I think that can be offset by a good running mate. Because bigots want to see him dead shouldn't be a reason not to support him.

I think it would be best if I leave this conversation now and not dignify that with any further response.

Yeah but i'm not saying it because of that, i'm saying it because i know he wants a sane and rational VP and that person will take over if he croaks.

Fair enough. (Though don't think i'm the only one who would rather see them in a coffin on this board).

Oh, don't get me wrong, I really don't see anything wrong with McCain speaking at Sturgis. I wish more politicians would have the balls to show up at events like Sturgis--damn the consequences. And as opposed to Obama's Berlin event, at least the crowd at Sturgis will be full of voters. I really only brought this up as a tongue-in-cheek juxtaposition to critics of Obama's speech, claiming that the crowds came for free beer or music or some other reason than to hear him speak.

I'm sure McCain will find many sympathetic ears today, let's just hope he keeps his senior moments to a minimum.

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