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chassisman · #76 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Angry American

Well, for me, I started my thread, as a sarcastic quip in response to all of those who were hammering Obama's speech in Berlin, claiming that musicians and beer were the main attractions for the crowd, not Obama. Sturgis offered the crowd even more tantalizing attractions, and a crowd that by-and-large weren't there because of McCain at all. At no point have I said it was inappropriate, or that the crowd wasn't deserving in any way. In fact I gave praise.

Again, not my opinion. Sheesh, the least you could do is not jump to conclusions, and take your partisan blinders off. I thought you might have at least partook in the Obama Berlin thread and seen the irony.

I'm still waiting to see unedited video of McCain's speech, to get a better idea of his performance; as what I've seen from FOX News he looked more like a stand-up comedian.

Try to keep in mind that you were not the only poster in the thread.
I'm waiting to see the speech too. Beyond that, I see it all as a positive for Obama. As of 2003, there were over 5 million registered motorcycles in the USA. These owners have spouses and friends, many of which vote as well. I'm sure the McCain appearance will be a hot topic on the m/c web sites post sturgis.

Steve · #77 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Angry American

Well, for me, I started my thread, as a sarcastic quip in response to all of those who were hammering Obama's speech in Berlin...

Of course, McCain was speaking to people who actually matter in this election: American voters...

chassisman · #78 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

And also to a large number of his fellow veterans.

If Obama chose to speak to his fellow veterans, I would be all right with that.

Steve · #79 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by chassisman

And also to a large number of his fellow veterans.

If Obama chose to speak to his fellow veterans, I would be all right with that.

That'd be a pretty quiet room...

chassisman · #80 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

That'd be a pretty quiet room...

I bet the sound of change would be deafening.

pramjockey · #81 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Bush lifted the drilling ban and oil dropped 20 bucks a barrel almost overnight.

And what does that prove, exactly, since there was no actual impact on oil production?

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BTW, what are the democrats doing right now to lower oil prices?

Taking a vacation?

How is that helping poor Americans who can barely afford to feed their families and seniors who work and must choose gas over their medication?

And, what exactly should the Democrats be doing? What can they do that would have any measurable impact on gasoline prices in the next 5 years?

Steve · #82 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

And what does that prove, exactly, since there was no actual impact on oil production?

It proves that even the very prospect of increased oil production would lower prices. If all someone has to do is mention it and prices fall, what do you think's gonna' happen when the drill bits hit the ground?

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And, what exactly should the Democrats be doing? What can they do that would have any measurable impact on gasoline prices in the next 5 years?

Nothing.

And that's the point.

They'll do nothing...

chassisman · #83 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

It proves that even the very prospect of increased oil production would lower prices. If all someone has to do is mention it and prices fall, what do you think's gonna' happen when the drill bits hit the ground?

Nothing.

And that's the point.

They'll do nothing...

Now that's not right Steve, they'll add taxes to the oil co's which the oil co's will pass on to us.

Angry American · #84 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Steve

Of course, McCain was speaking to people who actually matter in this election: American voters...

True, but Obama has spoken to large crowds of American voters already, and they actually showed up just to hear him speak. McCain has yet to draw a large crowd on his own. Probably the last time McCain will be speaking to a large crowd is the Republican convention.

chassisman · #85 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Angry American

True, but Obama has spoken to large crowds of American voters already, and they actually showed up just to hear him speak. McCain has yet to draw a large crowd on his own. Probably the last time McCain will be speaking to a large crowd is the Republican convention.

I dunno, I didn't have him figured for Sturgis, so who knows?

Angry American · #86 (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

Hey--I wouldn't be knocking all those Harley Davidson people, they actually VOTE! Harley's are American made!

Where did I knock Harley Davidson people?

Jefe · #87 (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Actually, no I don't.

You know nothing about me - you just assume I'm an unkempt, classless thug, or worse, a balding middle-aged loser who thinks 30K and a leather jacket makes him a biker.

Now granted, I understand if you make that judgment about me if you see me flying colors, but even then that is simply based upon your own ignorance.

Its no different than assuming every black man you see in a Mercedes is a drug dealer.

LOL... I was just busting chops on you guys. I'm usually the last person to place stereotypes on others. My point was "stereotypes suck", and I think you agree with me there.

Tim · #88 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

That's a bullshit characterization and a strawman.

The OP's clear intent was to sarcastically complain about McCain giving a speech surrounded by bikini contests and music in response to the complaints lodged previously about Obama giving a speech after a rock concert where alcohol was served.

What your line of argument is attempting to do is trade an attack on the activities for an attack on the people. It's like saying "you hate the troops" because someone is opposed to the war. I call bullshit on that one.

Do you indeed?

I have read your post and cannot find any response to what I actually said.

So I will ignore your colorful obscenities and refer again to my point, which is, in fact, the larger one in relation to the original post. Both candidates - all candidates - must address and mix with various groups of people in various venues that may invite contempt, but are necessary in order to win an election.

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