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Old 08-05-2008
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Re: Democrats Adjourn Congress, Republicans Stay and Work

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That's for the free market to decide...not a bunch of mini-Napoleons and junk science junkies.
How does the "free market" allocate the costs of pollution and the damage it does?

Or are you denying there is any damage?
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How does the "free market" allocate the costs of pollution and the damage it does?

Or are you denying there is any damage?
I don't care. Free market takes care of it.

You find that view irrational? Ha! I don't care. Free market laid the groundwork for the best environmental practices on the planet.

Besides, your esteemed leader isn't talking about some "pollution and damage". The crazy bitch is yipping about "SAVING THE PLANET!"

My view is a hell of a lot more rational than outright trashing our way of life on the spot because of a bunch of nonsense non-science.

Free market says, "Drill. Now."

While we're at it - save a ton of energy and stop recycling. You know how much water we waste rinsing out peanut butter jars and soda cans...how much energy, human and otherwise, we waste worrying about that shit? Landfills of today = rich mineral deposits of tomorrow. When the free market thinks it worth it, they'll have maps of where to dig that shit back up.
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Re: Democrats Adjourn Congress, Republicans Stay and Work

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I don't care. Free market takes care of it.
Ahhh... I see. You believe in the magic of the invisible hand.

You know why it's invisible?
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Ahhh... I see. You believe in the magic of the invisible hand.

You know why it's invisible?
Because, inherently, it gives losers in the game of life the finger...and it doesn't want to hurt their feelings? "They don't feel like losers if they don't know they're losers..."
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Because, inherently, it gives losers in the game of life the finger...and it doesn't want to hurt their feelings? "They don't feel like losers if they don't know they're losers..."
No cause it does not exist.
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Old 08-05-2008
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Frankly, Im annoyed that the govt has got us accepting that they have any authority to tell us what power we should be using. They should get out of the way and let the market decide what energy to use. I would like to know where in the constituion it give power to the congress to limit access to natural resources.
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Old 08-05-2008
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Re: Democrats Adjourn Congress, Republicans Stay and Work

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Frankly, Im annoyed that the govt has got us accepting that they have any authority to tell us what power we should be using. They should get out of the way and let the market decide what energy to use. I would like to know where in the constituion it give power to the congress to limit access to natural resources.

Given that the eight years you've had of exactly that led to exactly this, I'd suspect you wouldn't get what you want if we have another four years of what you say you want.
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Frankly, Im annoyed that the govt has got us accepting that they have any authority to tell us what power we should be using. They should get out of the way and let the market decide what energy to use. I would like to know where in the constituion it give power to the congress to limit access to natural resources.
So if two (or more) companies want to drill in the same spot they should just fight it out between themselves?

And there should be no limit to the number of oil derricks off the shores of Big Sur or Miami Beach?

Some people would be mighty pissed about their property values...
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Old 08-05-2008
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Re: Democrats Adjourn Congress, Republicans Stay and Work

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You've got a Speaker of the House inanely babbling "I HAVE TO SAVE THE PLANET" in response to a self-imposed shortage of domestically produced energy.

Exactly who again is playing politics?
The politicians, or did you miss that?

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Remember, "Most Scientists Say" is a classic weasel phrase and scientific proof of nothing (other than lemmings being inspired by weasel phrases). Any policy built on bullshit science is bullshit, by definition.
So what, do you have a point, or are you just blowing hot air?

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You say it takes guts to turn off the lights, cut the mic, and go on vacation? It certainly appears that [yet again...] an informed public disagrees. How is it that any given issue on which the left has adopted a losing position (ok, all of them) is dismissed by you so-called thinking types as a nonsense "wedge issue"? The left's stance on guns, oil, and faggots are all real problems. So, unless normal people bend over and let you leftists do what you want, we're just fabricating wedge issues? ROFL! Fuck y'all! Your silly labels do not deter me. I fart in your general direction.
Where did I say "it takes guts to turn off the lights, cut the mic, and go on vacation?" What I did say is the Republicans aren't in control and don't set the agenda, period.

You're use of the word "faggots" has just disqualified you as a "thinking" type--and I really hope you will find peace in your heart someday, so much rage isn't good for your soul.

And I'm far from a leftist, but I know definitions are difficult sometimes, and some people need to put labels on people to make them feel superior--if that's what it takes to make you roll on the floor laughing in your own farts, knock yourself out.

Since you are arguing for offshore drilling, start by giving us some numbers; be as convincing and factual as possible, as I really tire of fantastical BS.

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The San Francisco bitch is fucking saying with a straight face: This will have no effect on oil prices. Uh, bitch, the price will drop the SECOND the ban is lifted. Then when the fuck will Pelosi say? "George Bush's oil buddies decided to cut the price...", no doubt.

You people are absurd.
If you hadn't noticed oil prices have fallen four months in a row, without lifting the ban on offshore drilling.

Find me a qualified expert who believes offshore drilling is sound energy policy.

So far all I get from people like you are rude attacks, as if somehow your yelling and screaming is going to make pigs fly.
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Re: Democrats Adjourn Congress, Republicans Stay and Work

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I don't care. Free market takes care of it.

You find that view irrational? Ha! I don't care. Free market laid the groundwork for the best environmental practices on the planet.

Besides, your esteemed leader isn't talking about some "pollution and damage". The crazy bitch is yipping about "SAVING THE PLANET!"

My view is a hell of a lot more rational than outright trashing our way of life on the spot because of a bunch of nonsense non-science.

Free market says, "Drill. Now."

While we're at it - save a ton of energy and stop recycling. You know how much water we waste rinsing out peanut butter jars and soda cans...how much energy, human and otherwise, we waste worrying about that shit? Landfills of today = rich mineral deposits of tomorrow. When the free market thinks it worth it, they'll have maps of where to dig that shit back up.
Bullshit!

1) The "free market" doesn't exist, it's a myth

2) Oil companies are making record profits, they don't need to drill, and don't want to. Oil companies have all but ceased oil exploration--it's costly, and risky--a waste of money when you can just sit back and rake in the cash.
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Re: Democrats Adjourn Congress, Republicans Stay and Work

Besides the residents of ANWR supporting drilling: Arctic Power - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Residents of ANWR Support, the modern drilling techniques mean that we now only need 8 acres to drill what used to take 65 acres.

Selectively choosing high yield, low footprint sites can and will boost consumer confidence, and will hopefully be the first step in a "change" to our current policies. Hopefully, restrictions on not recycling nuclear waste within the facility can be lifted as well so we can start new nuclear production on the lines that Europe runs it and actually have a reliable source of energy so we can have a solid base to start moving new technologies ahead.

There is a transition period and we need resources to facilitate that. We need movement and change. Standing and saying "no" to proposed change doesn't reflect well on the Democratic party and will hurt Obama in the end by proxy.
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We're Paying High Gas Prices But Democrats Still Go On Vacation

We're still paying an average of around $4/gal and what does the Democrat led Congress do? They go on a 5 week paid vacation.

The Republicans have been on the House floor since Friday protesting the fact that the Dems don't really care about you and me, don't really care if the high cost of gas has dramatically raised the price of food, airline travel, goods and services, and in a few months the price of your heating bill.


The Democrats adjourned, turned off the lights, turned off the mikes, and had security usher the press out of the hall so they couldn't cover what the Republicans are doing.

Nanci Pelosi won't allow a vote on drilling to come to the floor which means that she has no intention of addressing energy until after the election.

Now it has come to light that she has been talking to Democrats that are worried about losing in the upcoming election. She's told them it is Ok to say they support drilling but not mean it.
She also said that because she isn't up for re-election she can take the heat for them. Now what kind of garbage is that? Doesn't it matter to her what the American people want? As far as she is concerned we can all pack sand. The only reason she may get away with it is because the MSM won't cover it. Pelosi: At-risk Dems back drilling - Martin Kady II and Patrick O'Connor - Politico.com

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California Democrat Nancy Pelosi may be trying to save the planet — but the rank and file in her party increasingly are just trying to save their political hides when it comes to gas prices as Republicans apply more and more rhetorical muscle.

But what looks like intraparty tension on the surface is part of an intentional strategy in which Pelosi takes the heat on energy policy, while behind the scenes she’s encouraging vulnerable Democrats to express their independence if it helps them politically, according to Democratic aides on and off Capitol Hill.

Pelosi’s gambit rests on one big assumption: that Democrats will own Washington after the election and will be able to craft a sweeping energy policy that is heavy on conservation and fuel alternatives while allowing for some new oil drilling. Democrats see no need to make major concessions on energy policy with a party poised to lose seats in both chambers in just three months — even if recess-averse Republicans continue to pound away on the issue.

“The reality is we will have a new president in three months, and what Bush and the Republicans are trying to do amounts to a land grab for the oil companies,” said one senior House Democratic aide involved with party strategy. “I don’t think we have to give in at all pre-election — we have many more options postelection.”
American Thinker: Political Power Flowing from the Pump
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Maxine Waters threatens to nationalize America’s oil industry
American Thinker Blog: Voters Wary of Re-electing Present Congress
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Re: We're Paying High Gas Prices But Democrats Still Go On Vacation

Big Nancy is doing her best to turn the Congress and White House back over to the GOP.
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Re: We're Paying High Gas Prices But Democrats Still Go On Vacation

It's summer recess. This is political theater. Come on.
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Re: We're Paying High Gas Prices But Democrats Still Go On Vacation

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It's summer recess. This is political theater. Come on.
That's what I do...................the roof's leaking, pack the car hon, we're going on vacation.
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