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pramjockey · #**106** (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

Yay duplicate threads.

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/brea...stay-work.html

Jason Marcel · #**107** (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

A weak dollar and overconsumption of oil around the world, particularly in China and America have nothing to do with the current gas prices. It's all Nancy Pelosi's fault.

I know.

Because Mud told me.

chassisman · #**108** (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

I would suggest that the "point" is that in unfortunate times, our elected officials performance has not met the challenge.
Roofs leaking, pack the car.

AkDiesel · #**109** (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Impugn

I don't care. Free market takes care of it.

You find that view irrational? Ha! I don't care. Free market laid the groundwork for the best environmental practices on the planet.

Besides, your esteemed leader isn't talking about some "pollution and damage". The crazy bitch is yipping about "SAVING THE PLANET!"

My view is a hell of a lot more rational than outright trashing our way of life on the spot because of a bunch of nonsense non-science.

Free market says, "Drill. Now."

While we're at it - save a ton of energy and stop recycling. You know how much water we waste rinsing out peanut butter jars and soda cans...how much energy, human and otherwise, we waste worrying about that shit? Landfills of today = rich mineral deposits of tomorrow. When the free market thinks it worth it, they'll have maps of where to dig that shit back up.

My man...................... you are on a roll., please don't stop......

AkDiesel · #**110** (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by jschmidt

Given that the eight years you've had of exactly that led to exactly this, I'd suspect you wouldn't get what you want if we have another four years of what you say you want.

Last 8? only the last 8? Please look a whole lot harder at the picture and you will find that we have had 55 years of this Bull Shit.... The Dems have had control for a lot longer in this matter and they have done ZIP, ZERO, NADA.... Big Fraken 00000000

The only thing that might be said is that more might have awakend in the last few years to hear what was getting said back in the 60' that either did not hear it then or where not born yet and have had their head and asses in the TV or Vid games ....

AkDiesel · #**111** (**permalink**) 08-05-2008

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Originally Posted by historybuff

Besides the residents of ANWR supporting drilling: Arctic Power - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge - Residents of ANWR Support, the modern drilling techniques mean that we now only need 8 acres to drill what used to take 65 acres.

Selectively choosing high yield, low footprint sites can and will boost consumer confidence, and will hopefully be the first step in a "change" to our current policies. Hopefully, restrictions on not recycling nuclear waste within the facility can be lifted as well so we can start new nuclear production on the lines that Europe runs it and actually have a reliable source of energy so we can have a solid base to start moving new technologies ahead.

There is a transition period and we need resources to facilitate that. We need movement and change. Standing and saying "no" to proposed change doesn't reflect well on the Democratic party and will hurt Obama in the end by proxy.

This coming from some one in Calif? the so called Left coast?..... saying things like this is going to make some here wish to use the restroom .. and others like me think that there is HOPE still in this country..

The using 8 acres today where 50 or even 30 years ago would that 65+ acres is what a number of us have been saying with no one wishing to hear that fact..
Yes the oil companies need some one looking over their shoulder..... there is not one of us on this planet that does not try a either push the law or brake the law if we think we can get away with it.... oil companies are no different...
Could we get all of the other forms of energy on line with in the next 3 months? 6 months? what about the next year? or 2 years? would it take 3 years?
If any of the above numbers are right , then just what the frak are we to do in the middle? What are we to do in the middle????
Just how are we to put the country on HOLD for up to years while other energies are brought on line?

Angry American · #**112** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkDiesel

This coming from some one in Calif? the so called Left coast?..... saying things like this is going to make some here wish to use the restroom .. and others like me think that there is HOPE still in this country..

The using 8 acres today where 50 or even 30 years ago would that 65+ acres is what a number of us have been saying with no one wishing to hear that fact..
Yes the oil companies need some one looking over their shoulder..... there is not one of us on this planet that does not try a either push the law or brake the law if we think we can get away with it.... oil companies are no different...
Could we get all of the other forms of energy on line with in the next 3 months? 6 months? what about the next year? or 2 years? would it take 3 years?
If any of the above numbers are right , then just what the frak are we to do in the middle? What are we to do in the middle????
Just how are we to put the country on HOLD for up to years while other energies are brought on line?

A little thing called, c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-o-n, ever heard of it? It requires another thing called, s-a-c-r-i-f-i-c-e, and I'm not talking about going to war. It can go a long way to reducing our consumption of energy.

Angry American · #**113** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by AkDiesel

Last 8? only the last 8? Please look a whole lot harder at the picture and you will find that we have had 55 years of this Bull Shit.... The Dems have had control for a lot longer in this matter and they have done ZIP, ZERO, NADA.... Big Fraken 00000000

The only thing that might be said is that more might have awakend in the last few years to hear what was getting said back in the 60' that either did not hear it then or where not born yet and have had their head and asses in the TV or Vid games ....

I doubt it. When the Republicans took control, they all laid down, and let their fearless leader run the whole show like drunks at a bachelor party, and now they're getting kicked out of the strip club. If the Republicans had only taken their majority power seriously, they might have actually moved this country forward. Instead we got initiatives to ban flag burning and gay marriage. What a waste.

mudwhistle · #**114** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkDiesel

This coming from some one in Calif? the so called Left coast?..... saying things like this is going to make some here wish to use the restroom .. and others like me think that there is HOPE still in this country..

The using 8 acres today where 50 or even 30 years ago would that 65+ acres is what a number of us have been saying with no one wishing to hear that fact..
Yes the oil companies need some one looking over their shoulder..... there is not one of us on this planet that does not try a either push the law or brake the law if we think we can get away with it.... oil companies are no different...
Could we get all of the other forms of energy on line with in the next 3 months? 6 months? what about the next year? or 2 years? would it take 3 years?
If any of the above numbers are right , then just what the frak are we to do in the middle? What are we to do in the middle????
Just how are we to put the country on HOLD for up to years while other energies are brought on line?

Problem is the Dems are standing in the way of what we can use now hoping to force somebody to come up with new sources that haven't been invented yet. Nobody has any viable alternatives that will replace oil in the next 20 years. It may be 20 to 30 years before anything else is implemented if ever.

So while Russia, China, and everyone else is reaping the benefits that oil brings we here in the US will be prohibited from using what we already have. The Democrats are intentionally ushering in the decline of America as a world power just so they can make their friends in the Sierra Club happy.

mudwhistle · #**115** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Yay duplicate threads.

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/brea...stay-work.html

People must think it's an important issue.

mudwhistle · #**116** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

I think some of you have missed one of my points.

Pelosi is telling Democrats to show independence by calling for drilling when they really don't support it.

Pelosi has scripted this so that nothing will get done until they have a new President and a new Veto-proof Congress.

So basically she's been delaying any energy bills until she can get a more favorable end to the process. If you have to take out a loan to heat your home this winter thank Nancy Pelsoi.

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"The reality is we will have a new president in three months, and what Bush and the Republicans are trying to do amounts to a land grab for the oil companies,” said one senior House Democratic aide involved with party strategy. “I don’t think we have to give in at all pre-election — we have many more options postelection.”

It’s a reality that Rep. Nick J. Rahall (D-W.Va.) personally delivered to President Bush recently.

Rahall spent more than an hour last week talking to the president about energy. Bush spent the entire flight aboard Air Force One, and much of a subsequent limousine ride, grilling the West Virginia Democrat about legislative solutions to the high price of gasoline, Rahall said last week.

So, does the president think Congress can get anything done this year?

“No,” Rahall replied in a short interview with Politico. “He’s realistic about it.”

Asked if Congress will produce a comprehensive energy bill in September before Congress adjourns again for elections, Rahall replied, “This year? No.”

Instead, the chairman of the House Committee on Natural Resources believes Democrats are all about 2009.

“We’ve laid the groundwork this year,” Rahall said.

Democratic House aides say the energy agenda has been carefully gamed out in strategy sessions, and Pelosi always intended to take heat on gas prices while tacitly encouraging more vulnerable Democrats to publicly disagree with her and show their independence.

Freshman Democrats like Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania and Don Cazayoux of Louisiana have taken her up on the offer.

Altmire has said a drilling vote “will happen,” while Cazayoux, hoping to hang on to his seat in a conservative Baton Rouge-area district, on Friday sent a letter to Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) demanding a vote on more domestic oil exploration.

“There will be a vote,” said Altmire, who faces a rematch with former GOP Rep. Melissa Hart this fall in the Pittsburgh suburbs.

Indeed, Congress must vote before Sept. 30 to renew the annual moratorium; otherwise, it will lapse on its own, giving states the right to decide whether private companies can search for potential drilling sites three miles offshore. .
Pelosi: At-risk Dems back drilling - Martin Kady II and Patrick O'Connor - Politico.com

So don't count on anything being done about fuel prices until next year. Gas prices rose sharply this Spring and nothing was done, and now we can expect another 7 months for the Dems to even begin to act on anything. They will have wasted a over a year without voting on energy. I suspect their solution isn't going to make anyone happy, but if the election goes the way they predict.....we won't be able to do anything about it.

Jason Marcel · #**117** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Problem is the Dems are standing in the way of what we can use now hoping to force somebody to come up with new sources that haven't been invented yet. Nobody has any viable alternatives that will replace oil in the next 20 years. It may be 20 to 30 years before anything else is implemented if ever.

So while Russia, China, and everyone else is reaping the benefits that oil brings we here in the US will be prohibited from using what we already have. The Democrats are intentionally ushering in the decline of America as a world power just so they can make their friends in the Sierra Club happy.

America has one of the smallest reserves of oil in the world. All the bullshit McCain is brainwashing you with is just bullshit. Drilling for new oil would take years, and there is no sign from oil men that they're going to just start drilling to make the public happy.

Stop living in a fantasy and get with the program America: all this cheap talk about how oil companies are going to save our sorry asses is a load of crap. I mean, how fucking dumb are we?

Jason Marcel · #**118** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Angry American

I doubt it. When the Republicans took control, they all laid down, and let their fearless leader run the whole show like drunks at a bachelor party, and now they're getting kicked out of the strip club. If the Republicans had only taken their majority power seriously, they might have actually moved this country forward. Instead we got initiatives to ban flag burning and gay marriage. What a waste.

The Republicans didn't lay down, they acted like liberals, reversing long standing conservative philosophies about spending, nation building and standing up for civil liberties.

Angry American · #**119** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Problem is the Dems are standing in the way of what we can use now hoping to force somebody to come up with new sources that haven't been invented yet. Nobody has any viable alternatives that will replace oil in the next 20 years. It may be 20 to 30 years before anything else is implemented if ever.

So while Russia, China, and everyone else is reaping the benefits that oil brings we here in the US will be prohibited from using what we already have. The Democrats are intentionally ushering in the decline of America as a world power just so they can make their friends in the Sierra Club happy.

I suggest you take a spoonful of reality and get off the "DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW, PAY LESS" BS. Any increase in domestic production that would be seen from increased offshore drilling--if anyone actually drills--would be outstripped by the increased demand by the time it came to market. Would it help? Sure. Would it put us on a path to energy independence? Hardly. The facts bear out that money would be best spent on alternatives to oil, than to waste it and time on increasing domestic oil production.

Just as many say we should have been increasing our domestic production decades ago. I'm saying we need to move away from oil altogether, now. Continuing to forestall reducing our dependence on oil with debates about whether we should increase domestic oil production, or biding our time seeking more domestic oil, is only going to have a negative affect.

This has nothing to do with the Sierra Club, this has everything to do with energy independence.

Take some time and read what the experts have to say, and stop listening to folks like Gingrich, and McCain; hell even swift boater T. Boone Pickens has woken up to smell the coffee.

Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf

CorpMediaSux · #**120** (**permalink**) 08-06-2008

Republican Senate Candidate Gordon Smith and ten other major republican candidates aren't going to the RNC convention because they were elected in left leaning states/districts. If you don't understand this, then you don't understand politics.

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