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hairballxavier · #31 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

Obama presents it as a false dichotomy and hopes his idiot worshippers will buy his ridiculous fallacy. It is not a question of either we can inflate tires or drill offshore.

We can drill offshore AND inflate our tires. Therefore, for Obama to argue that we should not drill offshore simply because we can inflate our tires is fallacious bullcrap that only idiots with no ability to think logically will buy.

Obama has not come up with any reasonable argument to oppose offshore exploration.

Obama should be ridiculed for his idiotic comments.

pramjockey · #32 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

I just noticed Pramjockey's GAO report isn't in this thread. Here's a link to the report I've been quoting:

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07246r.pdf

I apologize for any confusion.

For the record, it's not my report. All I did was link to it.

And, while the per-car cost savings may not be that much, the fact that Americans could prevent the wast of more than 5 billion gallons of gasoline yearly with such a simple task as proper tire inflation is worth paying attention.

andy764383 · #33 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

I found this tidbit on Commentary Magazine.com. It illustrates the absurdity of the statement.

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John Russell on Jennifer Rubin:

Last week I paid $3.95 a gallon for gasoline…I had enough of high gas prices, so I immediately inflated my tires.

The next day I again paid $3.95….so I again inflated my tires.

The next day I paid 3.95 , and again, I inflated my tires. I just don’t understand…

Obama told me that this would bring the price of gas down….

but, being a staunch democrat, I once again inflated my tires and BOOOOOMMMM!

I found out the hard way that Obama is just FULL of HOT AIR!

Now I need a new tire.

The libs argue the truthfullness of Obama's statement. Everyone else laughs at the absurdity of it, even if it is truthfull.

Here's an idea.

Reduce oil changes from every 3000 miles to every 4000 miles, and reduce the oil usage by 33%. Maybe I can get a job as an advisor to Obama.

Here's another one: Eat an apple a day to keep the doctor away. I'll save that one for when I want a payraise.

Donkey_Left · #34 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

It brings down the amount you spend on gas. Not the amount you pay for it.

Sorry you're too obtuse to wrap your head around that.

andy764383 · #35 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by daddio

A car's life is what, ten years. $1.50 to $2.30 a year. This is what BHO's pinning his hopes on ?

And the idiot light only comes on if the pressure is grossly, dangerously low.

In another part of the report (pamplet) is said "in 2005, about 1.2 billion gallons were wasted as a result of driving on underinflated tires."

It went further on to state consumption figures: 9,286,000 barrels/day (390 million gallons/day) which translates to a per annum figure of 142,350,000,000 gals per year.

So, a savings of 1.2billion gallons by inflating equals a savings of .84%. Still looking for that 3 to 4% number.

It's Miller Driller time.

andy764383 · #36 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

It brings down the amount you spend on gas. Not the amount you pay for it.

Sorry you're too obtuse to wrap your head around that.

I see the hilarity of it. Maybe you should try too. This is what I do, reach out to my fellow man and help him see the humor in adsurd statements.

andy764383 · #37 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008

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Originally Posted by partofme

I find it odd that the same people that talk about personal responsibility and that individual Americans should solve problems rather than government are now making fun of Obama for suggesting individuals do that very thing rather than offering a government solution. If he was to have suggested the government get involve and mandate something that would have conserved fuel then they would be shouting out the stereotypical socialist charge they usually dish out. He actually has released energy proposals that are available on his web site. This happens to be something in addition that people can do that will conserve fuel and makes sense to at least bring up if we are serious about reducing consumption of fuel. Anyway, one of the new trends in my town is to put nitrogen in tires since it leaks out much slower. If it saves fuel then I'm all for it. Instead of looking for one silver bullet to solve this problem it will take a combination of many things together that can make a difference in the sum total of them. Tire maintenance happens to be one of them. Making childish remarks making fun of it and giving out devices to check tire pressure that say "Obama's energy plan" are not productive and lower the level of debate.

I agree with you 100%. And I have checked out his energy proposals, so I'm not one of the people dissing him and saying tire pressure constitutes his entire energy policy. However, if you take a close look at his plan, you will see that this is the only proposal that "may" reduce prices in the short term, but not nearly as much as he would have you believe. The American people want it all. Short term, long term, drilling, nuclear, solor, wind, all of it. Obama wants what the greens tells him he can have, and that isn't good enough.

CYDdharta · #38 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

For the record, it's not my report. All I did was link to it.

Yes, of course. I don’t want to give posters the impression that you work for the GAO. Thanx for clearing up any confusion.

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

And, while the per-car cost savings may not be that much, the fact that Americans could prevent the wast of more than 5 billion gallons of gasoline yearly with such a simple task as proper tire inflation is worth paying attention.

Actually, the report you linked to estimated proper tire inflation would have saved 1.2 billion gallons of fuel in 2005, or just under 1% of the fuel used. While that isn’t an insignificant savings, considering the relative ease by which it can be accomplished, it’s a far cry from the 5 billion+ gallon figure you keep quoting. I agree it’s a practice the American public should adopt, but let’s be honest; it won’t have any significant impact on our country’s oil usage or energy consumption.

Perhaps we should be grateful that the pundits and partisans highlighted this issue; it’s gotten a whole lot more attention than it had in the previous 3 years of Tire Safety Week.

Jason Marcel · #39 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

Partisans suffer from selective listening.

The first President Bush actually ran ads about the ways that people could save energy and reduce costs in simple everyday ways, like keeping their tires inflated. No one attacked him, since it was common sense.

America represents 4% of the world's population, but it consumes 25% of the world's oil. No amount of drilling will overcome the fact that America is a country that has been bought by special interests, including the oil lobby. The best way to reduce oil consumption is through conservation and immediate investment in alternative technologies which already exist. The idea that investing even more in the oil lobby is one that only makes sense to junkies who can't see beyond their own immediate needs.

National sacrifice used to mean something, but now it's a value of the olden days. If America really put it's mind to it, she could conserve energy while investing in new methods of delivery which are cleaner, and will save everyone money in the long term.

daddio · #40 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by andy764383

In another part of the report (pamplet) is said "in 2005, about 1.2 billion gallons were wasted as a result of driving on underinflated tires."

It went further on to state consumption figures: 9,286,000 barrels/day (390 million gallons/day) which translates to a per annum figure of 142,350,000,000 gals per year.

So, a savings of 1.2billion gallons by inflating equals a savings of .84%. Still looking for that 3 to 4% number.

It's Miller Driller time.

Who wrote that report ? How much crack were they doing ?

It says that one could achieve an annual savings of about half a gallon of gas ($1.50 to $2.30 dollars) and then says it could represent 1.2 billion gallons. I'm pretty sure that America does not have 2.4 billion vehicles rolling around out there if there are only 300k+/- people.

daddio · #41 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Partisans suffer from selective listening.

The first President Bush actually ran ads about the ways that people could save energy and reduce costs in simple everyday ways, like keeping their tires inflated. No one attacked him, since it was common sense.

America represents 4% of the world's population, but it consumes 25% of the world's oil. No amount of drilling will overcome the fact that America is a country that has been bought by special interests, including the oil lobby. The best way to reduce oil consumption is through conservation and immediate investment in alternative technologies which already exist. The idea that investing even more in the oil lobby is one that only makes sense to junkies who can't see beyond their own immediate needs.

National sacrifice used to mean something, but now it's a value of the olden days. If America really put it's mind to it, she could conserve energy while investing in new methods of delivery which are cleaner, and will save everyone money in the long term.

Thats hardly the point. They point is that the presumptive democrat nominee clearly stated that tire and inflation and tuneups wouod be the equvilent of oil output form ANWR and offshore.

The point is that BHO has no understanding of the energy situation in the world but seeks to lead the United States and make energy policy based, apparently, on non-sense claims.

Is inflating tires and all that stuff a good idea ? Sure. But its not the basis for policy.

pramjockey · #42 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Yes, of course. I don’t want to give posters the impression that you work for the GAO. Thanx for clearing up any confusion.

My pleasure!

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Actually, the report you linked to estimated proper tire inflation would have saved 1.2 billion gallons of fuel in 2005, or just under 1% of the fuel used. While that isn’t an insignificant savings, considering the relative ease by which it can be accomplished, it’s a far cry from the 5 billion+ gallon figure you keep quoting. I agree it’s a practice the American public should adopt, but let’s be honest; it won’t have any significant impact on our country’s oil usage or energy consumption.

Perhaps we should be grateful that the pundits and partisans highlighted this issue; it’s gotten a whole lot more attention than it had in the previous 3 years of Tire Safety Week.

I was going off some numbers that I ran in a different thread; the savings based on more recent numbers was over 5 billion gallons of gasoline.

In any case, it's a lot of fuel that could be saved.

Lost Soul · #43 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Most cars on the road don't have a "Low Tire Pressure" Dummy light.

Name the makes and models that have them.... or give me just one example.

Chances are it will be either a very late model car or it will be a luxury car.

$20,000 accord

2009 Honda Accord Sedan - Options and Pricing - the Official Honda Web Site

Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)

$20000 Nissan Altima

2008 Nissan Altima Sedan and Hybrid Specifications - Nissan USA

$18000 Toyota Camry

Toyota Camry 2009 Models: Camry, LE, SE, XLE, & Hybrid

$23000 Ford
Ford Taurus 2008: See Standard & Optional Vehicle Features | Ford Vehicles

$15000 Chevy

Chevrolet | 2008 Cobalt - Standard & Optional Features

This is standard option on all the above cars.

And drgoodtrips, wrong, my wife car and my truck both have this warning light. When it went off on my truck my rear tire was only down 4 psi. My wife car was down 7 psi. I would say they work pretty damn good.

drgoodtrips · #44 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

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Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Obama presents it as a false dichotomy and hopes his idiot worshippers will buy his ridiculous fallacy. It is not a question of either we can inflate tires or drill offshore.

We can drill offshore AND inflate our tires. Therefore, for Obama to argue that we should not drill offshore simply because we can inflate our tires is fallacious bullcrap that only idiots with no ability to think logically will buy.

Obama has not come up with any reasonable argument to oppose offshore exploration.

Obama should be ridiculed for his idiotic comments.

lol...

Your tendency to call people names for disagreeing with you aside, I think it's anti-Obama voters that present your aptly labeled false dichotomy as Obama's argument, rather than Obama himself. And yes, that strawman you're perpetuating for Obama is indeed worthy of ridicule, but then strawmen almost always are.

hairballxavier · #45 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by daddio

Thats hardly the point. They point is that the presumptive democrat nominee clearly stated that tire and inflation and tuneups wouod be the equvilent of oil output form ANWR and offshore.

Where did Obama come up with that presumptuous statistic?

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