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McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

Seems like the flip-flop express stroke again.

Obama pokes at McCain over tire-pressure issue | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

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"And could I mention that Senator Obama a couple of days ago said that we ought to all inflate our tires, and I don't disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it, but I also don't think that that's a way to become energy independent."
McCain's campaign has become utterly retarded. If he's OK with telling americans to inflate their tires, why does he mock people who do that. That guy enjoys celebrating his ignorance. What a fool.
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Re: McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

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Seems like the flip-flop express stroke again.

Obama pokes at McCain over tire-pressure issue | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com



McCain's campaign has become utterly retarded. If he's OK with telling americans to inflate their tires, why does he mock people who do that. That guy enjoys celebrating his ignorance. What a fool.
I felt JM was mocking OB telling Americians that inflating your tires would hlep solve the energy problem. Inflating your tires won't solve the problem, it will just help you save a little money. Anyone with 1/2 a brain or any interest at all in saving gas money already knows to inflate your tires.
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I felt JM was mocking OB telling Americians that inflating your tires would hlep solve the energy problem. Inflating your tires won't solve the problem, it will just help you save a little money. Anyone with 1/2 a brain or any interest at all in saving gas money already knows to inflate your tires.
One interesting side effect is that gasoline is a form of energy and also that spending more money on gasoline means that you're using more gasoline. So, if one spends less money on gasoline, one is, in fact, using less energy, and thus helping with an "energy problem".
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Re: McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

I wonder if the people that were bashing Obama and poking fun at the whole tire thing will do the same with McCain? I some how doubt it
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Re: McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

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Seems like the flip-flop express stroke again.

Obama pokes at McCain over tire-pressure issue | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com



McCain's campaign has become utterly retarded. If he's OK with telling americans to inflate their tires, why does he mock people who do that. That guy enjoys celebrating his ignorance. What a fool.



He's mocking BHO for saying that consumer tips that people have been doing since the 70's is the equvilent of adding millions of barrels of domestic oil production. As he said, inflating tires and tuneups etal is not an energy policy.

BHO is the retarded one.
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He's mocking BHO for saying that consumer tips that people have been doing since the 70's is the equvilent of adding millions of barrels of domestic oil production. As he said, inflating tires and tuneups etal is not an energy policy.

BHO is the retarded one.
If keeping your tires properly inflated saves, let's say, the nominal sum of half a gallon of gas per week, don't you think that would make a significant difference? I mean there have to be at least 20 or 25 cars in the US - think of how quickly it adds up!
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If keeping your tires properly inflated saves, let's say, the nominal sum of half a gallon of gas per week, don't you think that would make a significant difference? I mean there have to be at least 20 or 25 cars in the US - think of how quickly it adds up!


If it did then maybe so. But it doesn't and those folks who use the most fuel are the most likely to already be doing this.

Its a good reminder as are the whole litany of such cannards are, but its not an energy plan.
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Re: McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

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He's mocking BHO for saying that consumer tips that people have been doing since the 70's is the equvilent of adding millions of barrels of domestic oil production. As he said, inflating tires and tuneups etal is not an energy policy.

BHO is the retarded one.
Dude people ARE NOT inflating their tires properly. And Obama is absolutely right when he tells people to get that fixed. Even here in Germany, where the greens switched the entire country to eco mode ten years ago, people are not inflating their tires properly.

Obama never said that inflating your tires will solve the energy crisis. What he said is, and you can look up the video, if everybody inflates his tires properly, 3-4 % can be saved. This is a good piece of advice. Nascar is handing it out, republicans like Schwarzenegger are handing it out, even the US gov has already instructed it's people to inflate their tires. But when Obama does it, of course the advice suddenly is retarded. Just as retarded as the people who heard it a dozen times and still do not inflate their tires.
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Dude people ARE NOT inflating their tires properly. And Obama is absolutely right when he tells people to get that fixed. Even here in Germany, where the greens switched the entire country to eco mode ten years ago, people are not inflating their tires properly.

Obama never said that inflating your tires will solve the energy crisis. What he said is, and you can look up the video, if everybody inflates his tires properly, 3-4 % can be saved. This is a good piece of advice. Nascar is handing it out, republicans like Schwarzenegger are handing it out, even the US gov has already instructed it's people to inflate their tires. But when Obama does it, of course the advice suddenly is retarded. Just as retarded as the people who heard it a dozen times and still do not inflate their tires.


I have no idea what Germans are doing and if you're there you have no idea what we're doing. This was a bigger deal in the 70's but there are significant improvements in tires these days, they hold their air better.

And I saw what BHO had to say. I'll trust my own eyes and ears.

Again, good tip as is changing your oil regularly, but only a tip, not a substitute for the many benefits of increasing domestic production of oil which will force prices down and reduce dependance on foreign product.
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Re: McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

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I have no idea what Germans are doing and if you're there you have no idea what we're doing. This was a bigger deal in the 70's but there are significant improvements in tires these days, they hold their air better.

And I saw what BHO had to say. I'll trust my own eyes and ears.

Again, good tip as is changing your oil regularly, but only a tip, not a substitute for the many benefits of increasing domestic production of oil which will force prices down and reduce dependance on foreign product.
Nobody has a plan for increasing domestic oil production for real, because domestic oil production isn't being held back by anyone.
The oil companies have only explored 25% of their federal leases, they haven't run out of places to drill.
They have plenty of money, so that's not the issue, they haven't increased drilling because it's in their best interest to do exactly as much drilling as they are doing now. When the Democrats proposed a "use it or lose it" law on oil leases, that actually would have increased drilling, it was defeated.

Oil prices are way too high, the price should probably be 40-60/ barrel, but there is a huge risk premium on the price because of the Iraq war.
$100+ oil is not sustainable in the future, because it really does gut the world economy, the price is falling now because the world economy has slowed down so much that the oil is backing up and inventories are building.

If you really want to lower the price of oil, stability in Iraq ASAP will do more than anything else to do that in the next 10 years. If the US had not invaded Iraq, and the sanctions had been dropped, oil would probably be around $30/barrel now.
Saddam was nothing if not stabilizing.
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Nobody has a plan for increasing domestic oil production for real, because domestic oil production isn't being held back by anyone.
The oil companies have only explored 25% of their federal leases, they haven't run out of places to drill.
They have plenty of money, so that's not the issue, they haven't increased drilling because it's in their best interest to do exactly as much drilling as they are doing now. When the Democrats proposed a "use it or lose it" law on oil leases, that actually would have increased drilling, it was defeated.

Oil prices are way too high, the price should probably be 40-60/ barrel, but there is a huge risk premium on the price because of the Iraq war.
$100+ oil is not sustainable in the future, because it really does gut the world economy, the price is falling now because the world economy has slowed down so much that the oil is backing up and inventories are building.

If you really want to lower the price of oil, stability in Iraq ASAP will do more than anything else to do that in the next 10 years. If the US had not invaded Iraq, and the sanctions had been dropped, oil would probably be around $30/barrel now.
Saddam was nothing if not stabilizing.



Firstly the claim is in regards to pumping, not exploring.
Second, there is a simple explination for why:

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Re: McCain on energy - tells us to keep our tires inflated.

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If keeping your tires properly inflated saves, let's say, the nominal sum of half a gallon of gas per week, don't you think that would make a significant difference? I mean there have to be at least 20 or 25 cars in the US - think of how quickly it adds up!

According to Pram's GAO report, we're talking about "$15 to $23 over the life of the vehicle" that would hardly be half a gallon of gas a week.
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Dude people ARE NOT inflating their tires properly. And Obama is absolutely right when he tells people to get that fixed. Even here in Germany, where the greens switched the entire country to eco mode ten years ago, people are not inflating their tires properly.

Obama never said that inflating your tires will solve the energy crisis. What he said is, and you can look up the video, if everybody inflates his tires properly, 3-4 % can be saved. This is a good piece of advice. Nascar is handing it out, republicans like Schwarzenegger are handing it out, even the US gov has already instructed it's people to inflate their tires. But when Obama does it, of course the advice suddenly is retarded. Just as retarded as the people who heard it a dozen times and still do not inflate their tires.

Pure BS, do you realize that most (even cheap cars) have a warning light telling you when you have low tire pressure?

I am so glad people like you don't get a say in our electoral system.
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Pure BS, do you realize that most (even cheap cars) have a warning light telling you when you have low tire pressure?

I am so glad people like you don't get a say in our electoral system.
Most cars on the road don't have a "Low Tire Pressure" Dummy light.

Name the makes and models that have them.... or give me just one example.


Chances are it will be either a very late model car or it will be a luxury car.
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Most cars on the road don't have a "Low Tire Pressure" Dummy light.

Name the makes and models that have them.... or give me just one example.


Chances are it will be either a very late model car or it will be a luxury car.
I bought a new car in '04 for something like $25K and it doesn't have anything like that. Hell, my dad has a newer model Mercedes, and I don't think it has a low tire pressure indicator (I could be wrong - I've driven it before, but it isn't as if it's my car)

And, my understanding is that those systems, when implemented, are designed more to alert people when the pressure is dangerously, potentially accident-causingly, low.

This is kind of interesting:

Tire Tech Information - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems

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While the Tire Rack applauds the emphasis on maintaining appropriate tire pressure and requiring a system that will warn the driver if low pressure is detected, we are concerned about the percentage of underinflation that the law permits before warning the driver. The driver of a passenger car that calls for 35 psi may not be warned about tire pressure loss until it drops to 26 psi depending on the type of monitoring system used. Under the same circumstances, a driver of a light truck that calls for 80 psi won't be warned until just 60 psi remains. In both of these cases, significant load capacity has been sacrificed before the driver is warned.
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