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you are right of course, the MSM has already picked the president and he will be elected and become the savior of the country........... and then of course it will all unravel and he will be seen as the showman he was and not the leader he should be and all of those that have followed him like a pied piper will be seen for the sheeple they are
So that's your prediction? He's not my savior. He's a freaking politician, Rak. He can't and won't fulfill all of his campaign promises. I haven't seen a president yet that has, and I expect that will never change. The only people calling him savior are his opponents.
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So that's your prediction? He's not my savior. He's a freaking politician, Rak. He can't and won't fulfill all of his campaign promises. I haven't seen a president yet that has, and I expect that will never change. The only people calling him savior are his opponents.
Just out of curiosity, what do intelligent Obama supporters expect him to do?
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So that's your prediction? He's not my savior. He's a freaking politician, Rak. He can't and won't fulfill all of his campaign promises. I haven't seen a president yet that has, and I expect that will never change. The only people calling him savior are his opponents.
yes that is my prediction he is a showmen he is the wizard of oz behind the curtain and soon the curtian will be pulled back and the left will wish they elected hillary and the right will wish they would of put up anyone but mccain ..... and in the end the coutnry will go the polar opposite of the last 8 years instead of a middle ground which is what we need, and we will be fucked ....

voters like me will just say there is always 2012........... for the record this post is over one line so for those who have accused me of doing 11k one liners.... IN YOUR FACE
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Just out of curiosity, what do intelligent Obama supporters expect him to do?
Well, I can't speak for them, but hell, if he does just a little less damage than our previous administration, I'll be happy.
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Corsi has a million dollar award for anyone that can prove anything he wrote about Kerry is lies.

4 years later and no one has yet to claim the money.

Still LOL in your face.
I tried to find any source that would confirm this "award" and couldn't find anything. Can you provide some kind of source?

The thing that bothers me the most about Jerome Corsi and others is the way they take full advantage of their readership, trying to exploit them as ignorant lapdogs to make a few bucks. Guys like Corsi are completely confident that they can make up virtually anything they want and their readers will consume the material as though it were gospel. Seeing a book like Corsi's reach #1 on the NYT Best Seller List is just as frustrating as seeing something from a 9/11 conspiracy-theorist reach the same position. They assume, rightly so in many cases, that their readers won't bother to research the claims they make. They spout lie after lie and justify it by arguing that it is all for the greater good (i.e. keeping a Republican in office).

A few days ago, Jason Marcel made a really good point that I think unfortunately got overlooked. He said something to the effect of, "Wouldn't you rather vote against a guy based on facts, rather than lies?" It seems most people would answer: "No."
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Well, I can't speak for them, but hell, if he does just a little less damage than our previous administration, I'll be happy.
I was including you in the "intelligent" category, but nice comeback...

So Bush has lowered expectations to the point where not making major fuck ups is an achievement? Wow. (Although I can't see how McCain could be worse, either.)
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Just out of curiosity, what do intelligent Obama supporters expect him to do?
I think many Obama supporters expect him to implement an agenda that will emphasize strengthening the middle and lower classes, improving America's image across the world, and putting policies like health care and education on the forefront.

I don't necessarily blame George W. Bush for certain failures he's come by while in office. I think he was put in a horribly difficult position following 9/11. I don't agree with many of the decisions he made, but the man was re-elected in 2004, and, thus, given a tacit endorsement from the American people for the policies he wished to implement. If people wanted to go in a different direction, they would have voted for John Kerry.

Regardless, I think many of us, myself included, feel that the damage that Obama could inflict in 4 years (i.e. failed health care policies), is far less frightening than the potential damage John McCain could inflict in 4 years (i.e. involving the United States in another global conflict).
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Most of what Corsi has written in his book are well known facts. The Rev. Wright is not ficticious, nor is Obama's muslim heritage. Corsi may have gotten some of the peripheral information incorrect, like the date of his marriage, but Obama's allliances with his less than "noble" friends, are Obama's own admission.
The book is one big lie. One big lie from one big liar, a book from a person who has managed to become the only person on this planet less credible than Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf. As usual, neocons heavily rely on lies when they are campaigning. Maybe I'll buy the book, just in case I run out of toilet paper.
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I think many Obama supporters expect him to implement an agenda that will emphasize (1) strengthening the middle and lower classes, (2) improving America's image across the world, (3) and putting policies like health care and education on the forefront.
(1) Does that mean raising taxes?

(2) Most people I know like the US. Also, shouldn't he be doing things for the benefits of the US, rather than trying to make the rest of the world like you more?

(3) Don't all politicians do this? What's he going to do?
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(1) Does that mean raising taxes?
It means raising taxes for certain parts of the population. The vast majority of Americans would not directly experience a tax-raise. Obama Rounds Out His Tax Plan Obviously, one can always argue that any tax raise on wealth American will adversely affect middle and lower-income workers, but the logical conclusion that follows that principle involves the inevitable abolishment of taxation, altogether. Two more reasonable solutions, in my opinion, are (1) reduce spending in certain governmental sectors, or (2) shift spending from certain governmental sectors to others.

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(2) Most people I know like the US. Also, shouldn't he be doing things for the benefits of the US, rather than trying to make the rest of the world like you more?
Your statement assumes that a positive image across the world does not, in fact, benefit the U.S. I do not agree with that assumption. On the contrary, I think the United States benefits greatly from a positive global image.

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Barack Obama: Education

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The book is one big lie. One big lie from one big liar, a book from a person who has managed to become the only person on this planet less credible than Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf. As usual, neocons heavily rely on lies when they are campaigning. Maybe I'll buy the book, just in case I run out of toilet paper.

Good luck getting a book. You may have to substitute something else for toilet paper in the meantime. At the rate they are going, your book may have to be placed on back-order.

Viva Corsi!
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It means raising taxes for certain parts of the population. The vast majority of Americans would not directly experience a tax-raise. Obama Rounds Out His Tax Plan Obviously, one can always argue that any tax raise on wealth American will adversely affect middle and lower-income workers, but the logical conclusion that follows that principle involves the inevitable abolishment of taxation, altogether. Two more reasonable solutions, in my opinion, are (1) reduce spending in certain governmental sectors, or (2) shift spending from certain governmental sectors to others.

Your statement assumes that a positive image across the world does not, in fact, benefit the U.S. I do not agree with that assumption. On the contrary, I think the United States benefits greatly from a positive global image.

Barack Obama: Education

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I disagree with a lot of what he says, but you're the first Obama supporter who's given me genuine answers. Thanks.
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No offense man but where have you been? Those links have been on Barack Obama's website since the primaries. What is so bizarre to me is that people's own unwillingness to educate themselves on the candidate's positions translates into a shortcoming of the politician to explain these things. Remember when people accused Al Gore of "boring" everyone with all those pesky details of his policy? Gore was called a "cyborg" listing all kinds of policy technical issues. Democrats can't win for trying. Either they are "boring" or "vague". Obama's specific policy positions are nuanced, complex and hard to dispute. Can you explain what doesn't work about his education or healthcare plan?
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Most of what Corsi has written in his book are well known facts. The Rev. Wright is not ficticious, nor is Obama's muslim heritage. Corsi may have gotten some of the peripheral information incorrect, like the date of his marriage, but Obama's allliances with his less than "noble" friends, are Obama's own admission.
And Mr.--Lilly White--McCain has prominent lobbyist, Randy Scheunemann, for a foreign policy adviser.

A book that touts itself as truth which is full of falsehoods--not just the wrong date for Obama's marriage--must be taken with a grain of salt.

The whole birth certificate fiasco, what a heaping pile of steaming shit.

Corsi saying oh, it's been well analyzed on the internet and shown to have "watermarks from Photoshop." I'm sorry Photoshop doesn't put watermarks on anything, unless you make one yourself. Saying Obama refused to release it. He did, and Hawaii is on the record backing up Obama. And how is an original document going to be analyzed on the internet, that's just not possible. I've looked at the reproduction online, and the worst thing I see are jpeg compression artifacts. But there is no way to determine the authenticity of a document based on some jpeg posted online, and anyone who tells you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.

Corsi vehemently defends his fiction as truth, claiming critics are just nit-picking. Well Mr. Corsi, either something is true, or it isn't. Just because he puts some truths in his book shouldn't let him skate with all those lies.

This guy is a political assassin through and through.
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And Mr.--Lilly White--McCain has prominent lobbyist, Randy Scheunemann, for a foreign policy adviser.

A book that touts itself as truth which is full of falsehoods--not just the wrong date for Obama's marriage--must be taken with a grain of salt.

The whole birth certificate fiasco, what a heaping pile of steaming shit.

Corsi saying oh, it's been well analyzed on the internet and shown to have "watermarks from Photoshop." I'm sorry Photoshop doesn't put watermarks on anything, unless you make one yourself. Saying Obama refused to release it. He did, and Hawaii is on the record backing up Obama. And how is an original document going to be analyzed on the internet, that's just not possible. I've looked at the reproduction online, and the worst thing I see are jpeg compression artifacts. But there is no way to determine the authenticity of a document based on some jpeg posted online, and anyone who tells you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.

Corsi vehemently defends his fiction as truth, claiming critics are just nit-picking. Well Mr. Corsi, either something is true, or it isn't. Just because he puts some truths in his book shouldn't let him skate with all those lies.

This guy is a political assassin through and through.

Corsi can be known as Saddam Hussein for all it is worth. He has accomplished EXACTLY what he aimed to do. To further expose Obama to people who are still wondering, who is Obama and what is he about? And he did it with less than 90 days left for the election!

What a man!
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