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Just got home from buying 10 copies to hand out.

The first is going to my wayward brother who worships at the feet of Obama. If he doesn't accept it, I will smack him until he wakes the fuck up and realizes Obama will do more harm to the black race than good.

The second to my Jewish grandfather who as asked for a copy.

The third to my aunt who still is undecided. Either this will push her one way or the other, but its time she decided if she is going to stand by her country or allow this so called Messiha, who will only further weaken this country, get elected.

The fourth to one of my route driver's who is still smarting from the Hillary lost. I think he dislikes Obama more than I do.

The rest will be given as I see fit.

The best part of this book is how upset and bothered it has the left falling all over each other to defend Obama's own words.

If you want to treat "pre-born children" as real people, then you have to give them responsibilities. Legal ones. If a "pre-born child" is on the mother's property (her body, as well as her house), then she has the right to demand that the child leaves the premises. Kind of like uninviting someone from your home. First, words are used. Then, the police can be used. The end result is the same: a dead fetus.

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If a neocon whines about big government wealth redistribution, just ask him what he thinks about the portion of that big government that sends aid to Israel.

You try to find every reason to hate Obama, so I'll ignore the topic the title suggests. The REAL topic here is abortion.

First of all why do you not support abortion?

This is why I support abortion:

1.Most eggs are never fertalized in the first place so most babies are never born. Since those babies that were "killed" because they were unwanted had just as much of a chance of living as those babies that were never fertalized. They might even have MORE of a chance. In my opinion life is to be given by those who were blessed to be at the front of the line at the right time. If it just so happens that egg became fertalized before it was flushed down the toilet then bless them. Either way I don't believe there is a difference between that fate and having an abortion.

2. I believe "human life" doesn't begin until you have a functioning brain. The brain is where everything is. Until you are born you are nothing but basically a plant. It doesn't necessarily mean that plant is meant to be ripped out, stepped on or torn, it's just a plant unfeeling and unknowing. Until you gain that sort of independence (where you can think even the smallest thoughts) you are nothing. I believe you are you based on your experiences and weather you grew up to be a noble prize winner or a serial killer you were basically the same at birth.

If I believe those two things what would stop ME from having an abortion if I were a woman? No one has to believe what you believe and if someone thinks that perhaps it's the woman's belief and not the belief of other people that decides the fate of the baby then that's perfectly fine with me.

I'm really starting to feel sorry for people who buy into these black-and-white generalizations about Obama's "support" or "opposition" to a certain issue. The article that Lost Soul cited goes so far as to say:

The link for "killing of born" merely goes to the Wikipedia page for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act. The "partially born" link actually goes to a page that says, "This Account Has Been Suspended." Knowing that idiotic generalizations are often the norm when someone tries to chastise Obama or McCain for a certain opinion, I decided to do some research. As it turns out, Barack Obama voted "Present" on March 20, 2001 regarding Senate Bill 1093. Click on the following link and go to page 85 to read Senator Obama's questions about the bill. State of Illinois, 92nd General Assembly, Regular Session, Senate Transcript

Essentially, he points out, amongst other things, that, not only will the bill be found unconstitutional, but it would also force a doctor to keep alive a pre-viable fetus, thus granting legal rights to pre-viable fetuses.

The link goes on to write:

This is a bold-faced lie. As evidenced here, and here, and here.

Just because one does not agree with Obama's position on abortion (safe, legal and rare), does not mean that he hasn't addressed the issue.

The real issues are the causes of abortion. While Lost Soul's link implies that blacks seem to have some kind of inexplicable inclination to abort their children (and, yes, I know that Rev. Clenard H. Childress Jr. is black), the link is merely another case of extremists trying to bamboozle their ignorant readership. In reality, abortions are disproportionately more frequent among poor people. Because the percentage of poverty-stricken blacks, in relation to all blacks, is quite larger than the percentage of poverty-stricken whites, in relation to all whites (Persons Below Poverty Level), it logically follows that the percentage of abortions among blacks would be greater than that among whites. Any serious discussion about lowering the occurrence of abortion should be predicated by a discussion about lowering the occurrence of poverty. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Essentially Fighting poverty = Fighting abortion.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

You should really consider re-phrasing that.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

More likely how his own words will be twisted and mischaracterized, given the lunatic who wrote it.

YouTube - Obamanation Smear Book Debunked 8-14-08

That guy is a doozy.

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All things serve The Beam

So who exactly do you favor? Hillary was definitely pro-choice. McCain may be against it, but he obviously doesn't view it as a crisis since he's willing to take a pro-Choice vp (and he has a decent chance of dying from old age during his term if elected which would lead to a pro-choice President).

I understand that might be a bit offensive to some of the more sensitive members .

What I meant was This is why I would support a woman's choice to have an abortion.

I can't edit my post unfortunately.

*smh*

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Nothing sways the stupid more than arguments they can't understand.
Cardinal de Retz

"My mother would have said that a woman voting for John McCain
is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders." - Cecile Richards, TX

Millions of babies have been aborted under republican administrations, and they literally did nothing to change that. But abortion immediately will destroy america if a democrat is in charge
Do you guys have a web-generator which generates random bullshit arguments against Obama? Because... Damn, I hope this kind of stuff is not coming out of your brains.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

Not just that, abortion is going to be the major issue of the election, overriding Iraq, Iran, the economy and corruption, most miraculous of all, the 70% of Americans who now support abortion are all going to become devout Catholics and elect Pope Benny as our next President in a write in Landslide

The book Lost Soul is talking about, on one hand, is currently #1 on the NY Times bestseller list, and on the other, it's filled with lies. That Obama was a muslim then converted, that he never admitted if he ever stopped taking drugs, that he was at a key speech made by his former Rev., that he's for reducing the size of the military, that he has a "secret black rage hidden under the surface". It clearly lies about many of his positions, from nuclear weapons to the Global Poverty Act to taxes. It's written by the lead SwiftBoat guy. People are reading it, but who exactly? Obama haters? Obama supporters?

Is this all the far right has? Flat out lies?

Don't you want to not vote for someone because you really know why you're not wanting to voting for them?

I do.

My problem with Obama is that unlike Clinton, he's got no experience at setting or meeting budgets. His foreign policy I've warmed up to, but I'm still clearly more supportive of a non-interventionist attitude where we ought to treat everyone the same instead of entangling ourselves with dramas when we blindly go with some but not others, play mindgames, play favorites, send money and arms to countries that either can defend themselves adequately already or have despot leaders. So there's a lethal mix there of foreign and domestic problems that I'm not sure he's ready for, either out of inexperience (on managing an economy) or judgment I simply disagree with on the foreign policy side of things.

I think Obama could be beaten if someone were to just run with those truths, because the personal attacks on him aren't really working. We're at just over two months in this campaign now and McCain trails in the average of the top polls put together by slightly over 4%. After taking the worst of it when he was overseas, Obama seems to be keeping his head just above water while McCain's campaign has yet to really take off, and just when it looks to get going, he makes reference to being okay with choosing a pro-choice VP and it gets his party's base in a tizzy over it.

Abortion is too politicized in America. I believe I have a more conservative and realistic approach to that issue than conservatives do, who favor a wreckless and illogical course. I think most people are conservative on the issue. Who wouldn't like to see the number of abortions fall to zero? The question then becomes, what is the best way to go about reducing the number of them? A Supreme Court appointee or the spreading of good values and good information? I go with the latter. And it's proven by other civilized nations who share many if not most of America's values. Changing the laws won't do a thing. The prohibition era should have taught us that. What would we do? Jail 1.2 million women a year, most of them under the age of 24?

Yeah, I like the idea of a society that values life more, and that's why I'd prefer to see someone have an abortion in the first few weeks of their pregnancy than to see a society of desperate teenagers who do horrific things like shitting out babies after 9 months and putting them in dumpters, leaving them in vacant stairwells, drowning them, whatever. Girls who feel they have no choices have come to do some pretty tragic things inflicting suffering on an actual life outside the womb as well as to themselves.

The abortion rate spiked in the 70's in America, and then better sexual health education helped to lower the numbers through the 80's right until present. But the lack of good information in America is still at times, appalling, as American youths get pregnant and get STI's on a far larger scale than youths in other progressive nations. Even in France, where all they seem to do is to be fucking, American youths have something like 4 times the rate of STI's.

The religious right in America has hijacked this issue and would prefer to be content in their self-righteousness and ignorance rather than actually expressing those values in constructive ways which reflect reality. This is why overturning Roe v. Wade and abstinence-only education are consitently the only two ideas that so many ardent pro-lifers ever stick with. Teach the children well, and you'll see values change over time. Invest more in adoption programs for teens who have unwanted pregnancies. Talk to them straight up, and treat them more like adults instead of this tired notion that we're supposed to constantly throw stupid at them in order to "protect" them, which is perverse.

Chew on some reality and you'll find that you don't have to lose yourself in ideology.

Since when is having "legal responsibilities" a prerequisite for being a person?

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Obama's New "57 State Patriotic Pin":




Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

So he never admitted that he stopped taking drugs?

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Obama's New "57 State Patriotic Pin":




Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Just to let people know, I either support or oppose abortion. I believe it is the mother choice and one she will have to live with the rest of her life. I do however believe the father has a legal right to decide also and without his approval there should be no abortion.

I didnt buy this book because abortion issue.

But will post this so all you Obamabots who think Obama is a step above Jesus Christ will get a good at your man.

So he now opening his arms to pro life supporters yet he had no problem voting to kill babies who survived failed abortions.

Obama has a position on every side. He is a fake slimy same a usual politician. RKF1968, Obama is now doing what he must to get votes and if it getting in bed with the pro life, so be it. But his past actions tell the truth about Obama. Nothing you can say or do will change the fact of his record before he needed the votes of the pro life.

Nothing about Obama is about change, it the same as usual.