Even if it were bad judgement I could argue that I lacked judgement went I post poned that History project to the very last day and thought I could finish it on time! Does my mother still hold that against me? Absolutely not. So why does this mean he still lacks judgement even if he did before?

Sorry to break up the right-wing circle jerk, but if you actually read the OP:

Oh, looky! All that jerkin' and lube just went to waste.

Oh, well.

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The key is Obama's stated position that Ayers is just a "guy who lives in my neighborhood," when, actually, the relationship is much deeper than that. Ayers and his wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, held a campaign event for Obama in 1995 at the Ayers home. This is supposedly where they first met, but the record, at this point, isn't clear. At the time of this meeting Obama was already the chairman of a foundation, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers had formed. Obama served as chairman of the board for three years and continued as a member until the foundation was closed in 2001.

They also served together on the board of Woods Fund. Obama was a director of the board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002. Ayers is still a member. This organization provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network in 2001, with a second grant of $35,000 in 2002. This organization was co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, an Arab who has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group. Khalidi also held at least one fundraiser for Obama. Source

Additionally, Ayers and Obama served together on panels together at numerous speaking events throughout the years.

So, it's apparent that Ayers is not just a "guy who lives in my neighborhood." Obama's attempts to minimize this relationship are disturbing and calls into question his truthfullness on the matter. The suppression of the records, even if only temporarily, is equally disturbing.

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Oh, for fuck's sake.

The records aren't being "suppressed." They're not the University's property to disperse. You do understand property rights, don't you?

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interesting choice of words ........... I have seen these words before, i have typed them.............. of course when i did there was another outcome

interesting

Yes, I do. I also understand the difference between a loan and a donation. When you make a donation, you transfer ownership. Maybe the spokesman just misspoke.

The fact remains. If you have nothing to hide, then you don't hide.

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This appears to be what Ayers has been up to since Obama became old enough to vote. It is the relevant part of his relationship with Ayers. Ayers was always a principled, idealistic, honorable man. In his youth, he was also misguided and overly zealous, and committed crimes in service to his ideals as a result. Clearly, he has overcome that youthful folly and become more responsible in his methods, without abandoning his ideals. As for the crimes themselves, he was put on trial for them, and the charges were dismissed. That should end the matter for us.

The fact that Ayers has done something this valid, worthwhile, and noteworthy, should serve notice that he is not the caricature that Nobomabots want to make him out to be.

Like so much else along these lines, it's much ado about nothing. As for the university's ongoing effort to obtain the records for release, the relevant passage from the quote is that the university is unable to release them at this time but is working to do so. To suggest a cover-up on that basis is beyond silly to the point of ludicrous.

Unless, of course, it is not silly but rather mendacious. Which is entirely possible.

Shouldn't you be going after the donors who won't release the records and not Obama or the U of Chicago? Let's just get to the point about what this thread is really about...

1)andy hates the University of Chicago that's why he's blaming them for something they have no control over.

OR

2)andy hates Barack Obama because he's Black.

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If this is true, its pure Clintonian, nice, he puts them somewhere out of his hands directly, and skips the signature block ala releasing to non confid. sources..........and so it goes, hes running out of newness or "Chope’ ness", and this an issue I have heard obama sppters make hay over ala Hillary games along these lines…....

his campaign is now going negative, the mask has completely dropped yet only those that really have no self will, will actually think on this and what’s happened so far and maybe take Obama out of their equation.....nader, barr gavel, paul whomever if they cannot vote for mccain which is cool, but those hanging on for Obama now inho, are deep in the kool aid...this guy has changed drastically, it has displayed itself in REAL life votes in the senate, the votes he didn't want to make and didn't and , well more junk like this, PLUS all those folks that were like:

" that’s not the insert name here I knew"...Christ on crutch what are we up to? 4 of those , 5?

I bet his wife’s records are next to be put off limits off they are not yet already.


this could be a circle jerk and he'll just call them and tell them to release them.....

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I wouldn't assume that Andy hates Obama because he's black, but he definitely hates Obama for some reason or other. I'm inclined to believe it's because Obama is liberal and has nothing to do with his race.

As for the U of C, your guess is as good as mine.

If you're saying we should vote for McCain who's policies are far different from Obama's or maybe another candidate who I believe to have no chance in hell to win then I disagree with you. I'm not not going to vote for him based on this silly issue. I agree very much with TSGracchus here.

This is a typical response. Someone doesn't agree with you so call them a racist. It's precisely that sort of thing which turned me against Obama. Nevermind neither 1 nor 2 are supported by any statements or writings ever made by me. Truly pathetic.


Stanley Kurtz, the researcher trying to gain access to the documents, wrote a very long article about his efforts to see the documents here, not that I expect any of you mental midgets to read it. It's far easier to just call him a racist too.

The records were in the public domain. And then they weren't.

Kurtz goes into significant detail of the shifting explanations given to him by the University.

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1/3 of the article is speculative and opinion(the final page) so that can be dismissed. Mr Kurtz and yourself seem to go on and on about blaming the entire UIC for this situation. When in reality the blame should go to Ann C. Weller who is either misinformed or a bitch on a power trip. I'm sure all of us have had to deal with misinformed people and/or bitches on a power trip. Untill chancellors, regents, or other top brass start getting involved I see no reason why andy and Kurtz are blaming the University for the shenanigans of a meddling middle-manager.

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Your telling me that the despite the preponderance of evidence showing what an evil terrorist this Ayers is, he's still walking around free in our society?

Shouldn't you be spending some angst against the Federal and Illinois governments for not keeping this known "terrorist" under lock and key? How dare Ayers go out and work for a foundation to bolster education in Chicago when he deserves the death penalty. I mean during the Vietnam war, Ayers was in a group that injured or killed a grand total of zero people outside their own group. That kind of poor judgement brands you for life as an irredeemable blight on society, and we won't be fooled by any petty public service work he may have done since.

LOL yeah -- danged lib'rul judges any ol' way.

My suspicion based on things he's said in the past is that Lost Soul lumps anyone who opposed the Vietnam War into the same category. Someone who protested nonviolently would, in his view, be a traitor, just as much as Ayers, who although he never hurt anyone was violent (at least against government buildings and monuments). Kind of typical of a certain kind of militaristic right-winger: freedom is great, as long as you never try to use it.

For me, I would be suspicious of anyone who was around at that time and actually supported the government. That Ayers supports Obama is a point in his favor, not something against him.