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Old 08-21-2008
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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Obama net worth 7 million & you're bashing McCain for having a few houses, that he obtained without the help of a convicted criminal, ha.ha.?
Are you just making these figures up off of the top of your head? You should really provide some source for your statistics.

Like this one:

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Let's start with the big picture: net worth. According to Obama's most recent public financial statements, he and his wife, Michelle, were worth between $500,000 and $2 million at the end of 2005 (excluding whatever equity they have in their $1.65 million Chicago house). The bulk of this wealth came from $1.2 million in royalties Obama received that year for The Audacity of Hope and a previously published book (part of a $1.9 million, three-book deal). The $1.2 million figure is presumably pretax, which means that, after paying the IRS, Obama probably kept about $600,000.

Barack Obama and His MoneyWhy Obama's bad investments would make him a better president. - By Henry Blodget - Slate Magazine
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Candidate Net Worth
Mitt and Ann Romney $202 million
John and Elizabeth Edwards $54.7 million
Rudy Giuliani $52.2 million
John and Cindy McCain $40.4 million
Hillary and Bill Clinton $34.9 million
Fred Thompson $8.1 million
Barack and Michelle Obama $1.3 million

Salon.com: Presidential Candidates’ Net Worth
Maybe you did in fact read somewhere that Barack Obama is worth $7 million, and didn't just grab a random figure off of the top of your head, and assume that no one would question that number. However, please provide some documentation next time so that we don't question your credibility.
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Old 08-21-2008
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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I refuse to forgive you. You posh snob.

Joking aside, surlely we can agree that the charge of elitism from the McCain camp is baseless given the circumstances of McCain himself, including his forgetfulness of his richness?

Time to put that one to bed?
Sorry, but most of the elitism claims are from everyone but McCain.

Also, this stupid accusation doesn't cancel out all of the disdainful comments Obama has made over the last few months towards whites and working class people in general in particular in the state of Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

He probably has part ownership in houses for his children, waiting until they can take over mortgages for themselves. As well as being tied up in mortgages from his previous marriage and children. He's probably taking care of a lot of people and leaves those details to an accountant. It gets confusing. I don't think these are seven "pleasure palaces" or anything he flits around to. It's probably more an idication of his responsibility to loved ones. Just my opinion.
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Old 08-22-2008
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

Judging from the lack of new posts even the left thinks this is a stupid subject.

Guess what, the press can't get it right. They claim McCain doesn't know and now it seems they can't figure it out ether even though they can check the tax records that are available to anyone with a MSL subscription.

And here's the kicker. The latest Obama ad has it wrong. They claim he owns 7. Now it has been made public it is 8, so the Obama camp jumped on this so quickly that even they got it wrong.

Hell, I've got more then 8 properties. So what's the Obama camp's point other then they can't count.

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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said in an interview Wednesday that he was uncertain how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own.

"I think — I'll have my staff get to you," McCain told Politico in Las Cruces, N.M. "It's condominiums where — I'll have them get to you."

The correct answer is at least four, located in Arizona, California and Virginia, according to his staff. Newsweek estimated this summer that the couple owns at least seven properties.

And a Politico analysis later in the day found McCain's family owns at least eight properties, according to property and tax records, as well as interviews. ........McCain unsure how many houses he owns - Jonathan Martin and Mike Allen - Politico.com
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

I wish partisan idiots could step back for a second and admit when GOTCHA! politics attack either side.

What a fucking breakthrough that would be for a change.
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I wish partisan idiots could step back for a second and admit when GOTCHA! politics attack either side.

What a fucking breakthrough that would be for a change.
What are you supposed to do when somebody jumps on a issue and gives everyone a false impression, not respond? Obama is playing GOTCHA, and making himself look stupid in the process.

My guess is Obama is going to be talking about this for quite some time and now it is shown that he got it wrong.

When they claimed that McCain owns only 7 properties I said, "So What!!!"

But then it was discovered that he has at least 8 it just shows that the Obama camp got it wrong and that they are getting desperate.

And now he's opened the bag and let out an issue that the McCain camp can use that makes Obama look like a crook and and idiot.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

When you look at it do you want somebody who doesn't have a pot to piss in?

The Clintons didn't even own a home when they moved into the White House. By the time they left they were millionaires.. Where did they get all of their money from?

Do you want somebody who's independently wealthy or do you want someone who is living month to month and thus more likely to be on the take? I would rather have someone in there that is taking a step-down in pay then a step-up.

I really think the Democrats have their priorities out of whack.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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What are you supposed to do when somebody jumps on a issue and gives everyone a false impression, not respond? Obama is playing GOTCHA, and making himself look stupid in the process.

My guess is Obama is going to be talking about this for quite some time and now it is shown that he got it wrong.

When they claimed that McCain owns only 7 properties I said, "So What!!!"

But then it was discovered that he has at least 8 it just shows that the Obama camp got it wrong and that they are getting desperate.

And now he's opened the bag and let out an issue that the McCain camp can use that makes Obama look like a crook and and idiot.
Lol

They say 7 but in fact its 8! Thats just about the best mistake one can make!

Acutally, this simply gives strength to the charge being made by the Obama camp.

Id advise the Obama camp to keep talking about it. Its a beautiful attack piece and itll be nice to see the Republican machine having to defend such attacks rather than throwing them.

Its the question many Brits want to know, how do Republicans deal with the same tactics they have employed for years?
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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When you look at it do you want somebody who doesn't have a pot to piss in?

The Clintons didn't even own a home when they moved into the White House. By the time they left they were millionaires.. Where did they get all of their money from?

Do you want somebody who's independently wealthy or do you want someone who is living month to month and thus more likely to be on the take? I would rather have someone in there that is taking a step-down in pay then a step-up.

I really think the Democrats have their priorities out of whack.
Brilliant point!

That was the very same argument that the Lords made in parliament before the commons took power.

Only the landed gentry could be assured of incorruptability because they did not need to gain a wage from government.

Trouble is, the landed gentry were actually more corrupt than anyone, in fact thats how they maintained their large estates!

But please America, feel free to follow this line to its proper extent. I look forward to seeing congress resplendent with America's aristocrats in their furs and tweed jackets.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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What are you supposed to do when somebody jumps on a issue and gives everyone a false impression, not respond? Obama is playing GOTCHA, and making himself look stupid in the process.

My guess is Obama is going to be talking about this for quite some time and now it is shown that he got it wrong.

When they claimed that McCain owns only 7 properties I said, "So What!!!"

But then it was discovered that he has at least 8 it just shows that the Obama camp got it wrong and that they are getting desperate.

And now he's opened the bag and let out an issue that the McCain camp can use that makes Obama look like a crook and and idiot.
Only partisan people who have nothing better to do with their time follow this shit. Both you and I know it.

This whole campaign is probably going to remain very close right until the end, because America is about evenly split. Everyone knows that.

It should be common knowledge by now that the conventions and the first debates in the fall help to crystalize the average voter's perception of the candidates, and not the tit-for-tat bullshit that goes on over the summer with stories such as these.

The people who will decide this election are that breed of people who vote all the time but are apt to voting for the candidate who they feel projects confidence while appearing most like them. That idea comes first from the conventions, and then in the first debate. And it's all about perception. If Obama wins, it will be because those people feel that he embodies the opposite of all the crap they can't stand about the people in the White House over the last 8 years and that the opponent represents the status quo. If McCain wins, it will be because those people feel that like Bush, despite the things they disagree with, that the guy is perceived as being stronger on national security and that "whether we agree with him or not, we know where he stands".

So basically, like Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and then Bush, all Obama has to do, as the new guy on the scene, is make the undecideds comfortable and project a basic level of competence and understanding and humility for the job of being President, while McCain has to convince the undecideds in the convention and the first debate that he's got tons of energy and seems to be younger than his years. On that basis, this should ensure that the presidential campaign will get even stupider yet.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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When you look at it do you want somebody who doesn't have a pot to piss in?

The Clintons didn't even own a home when they moved into the White House. By the time they left they were millionaires.. Where did they get all of their money from?

Do you want somebody who's independently wealthy or do you want someone who is living month to month and thus more likely to be on the take? I would rather have someone in there that is taking a step-down in pay then a step-up.

I really think the Democrats have their priorities out of whack.
Your statements here make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The Clintons were not rich upon leaving office. They got rich shortly after they left office and wrote their books and gave their speeches.

Bill Clinton and his administration is the only one in about a century in America that actually reversed the trend of digging deeper into debt. His experience as Governor was partly due to that, but even more so, I bet it had to do with a strict moral value of his about not buying anything you can't afford, since he came from a working poor background.

The Bushes were independently wealthy and they bankrupted the country. Reagan was wealthy and he did no better.

Rich, middle, poor, doesn't matter; don't buy what you can't afford. It's common sense. But since the American public no longer accepts wanting to hear the truth, adults among them get elected to go to Washington and represent the worst among us instead of actually electing truth-tellers who have the good sense to tell us that we can no longer afford the crazy spending and borrowing habits we now have.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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When you look at it do you want somebody who doesn't have a pot to piss in?

The Clintons didn't even own a home when they moved into the White House. By the time they left they were millionaires.. Where did they get all of their money from?

Do you want somebody who's independently wealthy or do you want someone who is living month to month and thus more likely to be on the take? I would rather have someone in there that is taking a step-down in pay then a step-up.

I really think the Democrats have their priorities out of whack.
I agree with Mudwhistle that I could not care less about how much property my president owns. I think he also makes a decent point about having someone in the office that is not as strongly affected by salary.

The issue here is that many in the GOP, including McCain, have suggested that Barack Obama is out-of-touch with the average middle-class American. They've tried to assign him an "elitist" label in an attempt to portray him as snobbish and distant. Karl Rove even described him as "the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by." (Political Punch)

Though John McCain, himself, didn't make these remarks, he has defended this "Obama is out-of-touch" mentality, and, thus, he has become susceptible to criticism when he makes a comment that is perceived as, "Gee, I've got so many houses I can't even keep track."

That being said, I'm not sure it's fair to hold the man completely accountable for making that mistake. It can be a difficult question because it depends on what you mean by own. It also depends on what the reporter meant by you. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that either candidate is particularly more out-of-touch than any usual candidate running for president, so the whole purpose of the argument is pretty moot.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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Bill Clinton and his administration is the only one in about a century in America that actually reversed the trend of digging deeper into debt. His experience as Governor was partly due to that, but even more so, I bet it had to do with a strict moral value of his about not buying anything you can't afford, since he came from a working poor background.
Also a very good point. Though some credit should probably be given to the Republican Congress for helping balance the budget.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

The Obama campaign has moved QUICKLY, check out this series of ads. They are pretty devastating and are a huge part of why Clinton was able to defeat Bush in 1992.
YouTube - "Fix the Economy" Ad
YouTube - "Better Off" Ad
YouTube - General "Three Times" Ad
YouTube - "Seven" - TV Ad

And the Obama campaign is doing a good job of putting out localized negative ads that get at issues people in those states care about.
Ohio
YouTube - [PRES] Obama: Punch
Nevada
YouTube - "Backyard" Ad
YouTube - Nevada "Dangerous" Ad
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I think some of you guys are missing the point. Barack Obama just opened the door on his association with Tony Roscoe. The recently CONVICTED felon who ripped off the City of Chicago for millions of dollars. And who was responsible for helping the Obama's get their 1.9 million dollar home.
...for $300,000...

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Now, we all know how crooks work. They don't do anything unless their pockets are lined. In other words-a deal, now matter if it is helping someone get a home or otherwise, we all know, there is going to be something else going on underneath the table that benefits the crook also.

Barack Obama, being the south side community organizer -- that he constantly refers too, & while dealing with real properties in Chicago, had a very real connection with the recently convicted Tony Roscoe, who also dealt in real properties in the same area. And that's how Tony Roscoe screwed the City of Chicago, (henceforth the tax-payers) out of millions of dollars, & whom is headed to prison for it.

Connect the dots, & I believe one will find that they lead right to Barack Obama's front door.

This is the important issue here, versus someone who forgets how many properties are their name, that they obtained legally & above board.
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