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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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The Obama campaign has moved QUICKLY, check out this series of ads. They are pretty devastating and are a huge part of why Clinton was able to defeat Bush in 1992.
YouTube - "Fix the Economy" Ad
YouTube - "Better Off" Ad
YouTube - General "Three Times" Ad
YouTube - "Seven" - TV Ad

And the Obama campaign is doing a good job of putting out localized negative ads that get at issues people in those states care about.
Ohio
YouTube - [PRES] Obama: Punch
Nevada
YouTube - "Backyard" Ad
YouTube - Nevada "Dangerous" Ad

It's about time Obama joins McCain in the mudpit. It isn't ideal, but this is modern politics. You have to fight back hard.... and you have to go negative when the other side does.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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The Obama campaign has moved QUICKLY, check out this series of ads. They are pretty devastating and are a huge part of why Clinton was able to defeat Bush in 1992.
YouTube - "Fix the Economy" Ad
YouTube - "Better Off" Ad
YouTube - General "Three Times" Ad
YouTube - "Seven" - TV Ad

And the Obama campaign is doing a good job of putting out localized negative ads that get at issues people in those states care about.
Ohio
YouTube - [PRES] Obama: Punch
Nevada
YouTube - "Backyard" Ad
YouTube - Nevada "Dangerous" Ad
LOL. The first one I thought would be the most damaging.
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LOL. The first one I thought would be the most damaging.
That one was good in many ways... it uses McCain's own words, it paints McCain as out of touch, and it sets him up to look like a flip flopper since his words today contradict the words cited in the ad.

Almost all of them have short powerful messages.

Now Obama needs to use those same slogans on the stump.... that's what's been lacking...consistent concisely worded slogans/attacks from the candidate himself.

He needs to simplyfy his rhetoric and it looks like they realize it.
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It's about time Obama joins McCain in the mudpit. It isn't ideal, but this is modern politics. You have to fight back hard.... and you have to go negative when the other side does.
BUt I thought Obama was about Hope and Change?
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BUt I thought Obama was about Hope and Change?
I guess there's action behind his words after all. These actions seem to serve the "Change" part of his message.

You have to take power first... and people realize this. No one wants to see a fighter take punches without swinging back..except maybe his opponent.



McCain promised to run a clean, honorable campaign and has delivered anything but. Obama is no larger a hypocrite in this regard.
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I can prove this is a severe gaff by McCain. The British very conservative newpaper The Daily Mail has it as a serious gaff.

If even cons say it, then you know it is.

Now its time to, as Karl Rove might have said, repeat repeat and repeat.

Its gonna be such fun!
Soon conservatives will be pleading with the Republican campaign "please please will somebody keep telling America about how much of a racist/ elitist snob etc Obama is".

But few will listen because the 7/ 8 houses and thinking that one has to have 5 million $ to be rich are startling statements.
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BUt I thought Obama was about Hope and Change?
I've said it before, I'll say it again. There's nothing about "hope and change" that also means passivity and non-aggression. Hope gives you determination, that's a strength. Change requires work, focus and energy. Why do people think that "hope and change" = "bunnies and rainbows."
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I guess there's action behind his words after all. These actions seem to serve the "Change" part of his message.

You have to take power first... and people realize this. No one wants to see a fighter take punches without swinging back..except maybe his opponent.



McCain promised to run a clean, honorable campaign and has delivered anything but. Obama is no larger a hypocrite in this regard.
I dont remember Obama putting a disclaimer in there that said hed run a positive campaign only as long as his opponent did. Change would be running an issues campaign. Stagnation would be rolling in the dirt, something both sides have always done. So, what change did he make? Changing his mind?
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. There's nothing about "hope and change" that also means passivity and non-aggression. Hope gives you determination, that's a strength. Change requires work, focus and energy. Why do people think that "hope and change" = "bunnies and rainbows."
You can keep saying it, but it doesnt make it true. Obamas hope and change message worked because people were tired of lies and pandering and mudslinging. They wanted an election on issues. GUess we arent going to get that. Instead of CHANGE, we get the same old class warfare.
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I dont remember Obama putting a disclaimer in there that said hed run a positive campaign only as long as his opponent did. Change would be running an issues campaign. Stagnation would be rolling in the dirt, something both sides have always done. So, what change did he make? Changing his mind?
Yep. I think so.

When you don't fight back while under attack, it can be viewed as strength via showing restraint.... But, when you don't fight back while under continued attack, it can be viewed as complete weakness.

In this nation, the last thing you want to be made out to be is a pussy.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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You can keep saying it, but it doesnt make it true. Obamas hope and change message worked because people were tired of lies and pandering and mudslinging. They wanted an election on issues. GUess we arent going to get that. Instead of CHANGE, we get the same old class warfare.
Obama's racist, unpatriotic likewise.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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Obamas hope and change message worked because people were tired of lies and pandering and mudslinging.
Please, can you give me insight into your awesome power of telepathy. As of now, this power evades me. Explain how it works.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

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You can keep saying it, but it doesnt make it true. Obamas hope and change message worked because people were tired of lies and pandering and mudslinging. They wanted an election on issues. GUess we arent going to get that. Instead of CHANGE, we get the same old class warfare.
I think your target here are all the people that try to paint obama as an 'elitist' etc.
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Re: McCain forgets how many houses he owns

I've heard the elitest arguement, but why is Obama being painted as an elitest anyways? Sorry, never really heard any reasons really.
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I've heard the elitest arguement, but why is Obama being painted as an elitest anyways? Sorry, never really heard any reasons really.
The "bitter" comments didn't help.
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