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Chocobot · #**121** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

I've heard the elitest arguement, but why is Obama being painted as an elitest anyways? Sorry, never really heard any reasons really.

I think it was to do with talking about a large swathe of mid western America and interested in god and guns and bitter about some of their perceived treatment by the government/ media etc.

The right has tried to blow it way to some big insult against these people when in fact its just something you or I could easily say about people in conversation.

Like me refering to the Prods in Northern Ireland as being loyalist and Unionist, most of them are. But many are also more Unionist and less loyalist. Further discussion requires more specific commentary but that would be another conversation altogether.

Another example might be Black people in America having a 'black' culture. That is true, but its not absolutely true. So does me saying that make me have something against black people? Of course not. But if you were a snivelling conniving pedantic evil bastard you could make it out that way.

Thats what the right has done in Obama's case.

AjaxPress · #**122** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by jviehe

You can keep saying it, but it doesnt make it true. Obamas hope and change message worked because people were tired of lies and pandering and mudslinging. They wanted an election on issues. GUess we arent going to get that. Instead of CHANGE, we get the same old class warfare.

Of course "the people" don't seem to care too much about the issues anyways, unless the issues includes mudslinging and dirt.

AJG · #**123** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Of course "the people" don't seem to care too much about the issues anyways, unless the issues includes mudslinging and dirt.

It certainly seems that way.

Jason Marcel · #**124** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

I agree with Mudwhistle that I could not care less about how much property my president owns. I think he also makes a decent point about having someone in the office that is not as strongly affected by salary.

The issue here is that many in the GOP, including McCain, have suggested that Barack Obama is out-of-touch with the average middle-class American. They've tried to assign him an "elitist" label in an attempt to portray him as snobbish and distant. Karl Rove even described him as "the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by." (Political Punch)

Though John McCain, himself, didn't make these remarks, he has defended this "Obama is out-of-touch" mentality, and, thus, he has become susceptible to criticism when he makes a comment that is perceived as, "Gee, I've got so many houses I can't even keep track."

That being said, I'm not sure it's fair to hold the man completely accountable for making that mistake. It can be a difficult question because it depends on what you mean by own. It also depends on what the reporter meant by you. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that either candidate is particularly more out-of-touch than any usual candidate running for president, so the whole purpose of the argument is pretty moot.

That someone has ever been "affected by the salary" of being President is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Imperator · #**125** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

It's about time Obama joins McCain in the mudpit. It isn't ideal, but this is modern politics. You have to fight back hard.... and you have to go negative when the other side does.

and mccains litany of negative adds are?

and what happended to "a different kind of politics"?

Imperator · #**126** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

so mccain owns 7? 8, whatever houses, well that is Cindy owns 7-8 houses....yea, glad we are down to brass tacks......then again, she may have to give a few up to her sister, so everyone will like her bacause she finally gave her sister something...glad we are down to the issues......

AJG · #**127** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

When you have attack dogs like Karl Rove you don't need to create your own adds anyways

. But McCain has had many negative adds and so now will Obama.

Si modo · #**128** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

When you have attack dogs like Karl Rove you don't need to create your own adds anyways

. But McCain has had many negative adds and so now will Obama.

"Karl Rove"? GWB isn't running in any election.

AJG · #**129** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

No, but there are plenty of attack dogs from each party.

Si modo · #**130** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

No, but there are plenty of attack dogs from each party.

OK. Your use of rhetoric by throwing an irrelevant, yet emotional, name into a discussion is noted.

AJG · #**131** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

No I was responding to imperator's post. McCain doesn't need to get those negative adds. I understand how you feel, but I don't ALWAYS have to contribute a lot to a conversation if I were just responding to someone in the thread. Anyways, I usually add quite a lot to a conversation with just my presence, don't you agree?

Si modo · #**132** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

No I was responding to imperator's post. McCain doesn't need to get those negative adds. I understand how you feel, but I don't ALWAYS have to contribute a lot to a conversation if I were just responding to someone in the thread. Anyways, I usually add quite a lot to a conversation with just my presence, don't you agree?

I watch and observe. Based on what I've seen, I was surprised by your appeal to emotion. And I noted it.

Imperator · #**133** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

When you have attack dogs like Karl Rove you don't need to create your own adds anyways

. But McCain has had many negative adds and so now will Obama.

rove*sigh*

and these negative adds are;_____________________

AJG · #**134** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

I watch and observe. Based on what I've seen, I was surprised by your appeal to emotion. And I noted it.

Please note if that happens further. I don't want to get tooo emotional.

Si modo · #**135** (**permalink**) 08-22-2008

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Originally Posted by AJG

Please note if that happens further. I don't want to get tooo emotional.

Winning points on fallacies then getting uber defensive when called on your fallacy. Yup, a lot is being revealed. Thanks.

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