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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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I don't know, but as soon as they appear on a ballot that I'm voting on, I'll start caring about what they had to say in this regard.

Until that point, quotes from past presidents do nothing to obviate the fact that it is likely Palin holds extremist religious views, and that these might factor in to someone's choice when casting a vote. Like you. Or me, for example.
If you are refering to abortion and gay marriage then I believe her views are wacko, but that's just because I believe those kinds of issues shouldn't even be part of politics these days and I see no reason why I should believe what she believes. Besides that I don't think there is anything that could possibly be religious about her views.
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Holy Shit! How did these "insane" wackos ever get elected?!?
Did any of those presidents have ties to the extreme right wing religious movement that began in the 1960's?

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Did any of those presidents have ties to the extreme right wing religious movement that began in the 1960's?

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Apparently from their views they would have been. What dangerous people they were.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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If you are refering to abortion and gay marriage then I believe her views are wacko, but that's just because I believe those kinds of issues shouldn't even be part of politics these days and I see no reason why I should believe what she believes. Besides that I don't think there is anything that could possibly be religious about her views.
I'm more referring to the views espoused by the church she attends, the pastors who preach there and what I have heard her say on videos from that church posted on the web.

I distrust fundamentalists of all stripes, esp. those who stand to gain political power and influence.
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CNN provided the entire video of her saying those comments with all of the context surrounding it. I still don't see how her comments are defensible. She thinks that her god does support this war of choice. That is insane.

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How do you defend this when given proof that many great presidents have believed the same thing?
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I'm more referring to the views espoused by the church she attends, the pastors who preach there and what I have heard her say on videos from that church posted on the web.

I distrust fundamentalists of all stripes, esp. those who stand to gain political power and influence.
Can you say why? What do you think they'll do that will damage the country? Or do you just have a predjudice?
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Can you say why? What do you think they'll do that will damage the country? Or do you just have a predjudice?
I have had almost 8 years of one of their ilk in the WH to show me what can happen with the levels of hubris and arrogance I see demonstrated by these types. You know, being spoken to by god and told to invade Iraq, etc....

No, thanks.
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How do you defend this when given proof that many great presidents have believed the same thing?
Why do you think i would find their comments defensible? And what would make you think I would believe there is any such thing as a 'great' president?

But lets be clear, besides George Bush, what other president worships a god that would bless wars of aggression?

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I have had almost 8 years of one of their ilk in the WH to show me what can happen with the levels of hubris and arrogance I see demonstrated by these types. You know, being spoken to by god and told to invade Iraq, etc....

No, thanks.
Were the 30 countries who invaded Iraq with us spoken to by God as well? Or every Senator that voted to invade? Since they can't follow their interpretation of God's will unilaterally, again, what do you fear they will do to damage the country?
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Apparently from their views they would have been. What dangerous people they were.
Dangerous indeed.

America's history is marked with events of extreme and wanton violence colore with frequent comments tying these acts of depravity to god's will. From the genocide of the natives, through the phillipines, latin america, the vietnam war, and now the war of choice in Iraq. Its very disturbing to say the least.

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Why do you think i would find their comments defensible? And what would make you think I would believe there is any such thing as a 'great' president?

But lets be clear, besides George Bush, what other president worships a god that would bless wars of aggression?

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Apparently Lincoln, FDR and JFK.
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Dangerous indeed.

America's history is marked with events of extreme and wanton violence colore with frequent comments tying these acts of depravity to god's will. From the genocide of the natives, through the phillipines, latin america, the vietnam war, and now the war of choice in Iraq. Its very disturbing to say the least.

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So you take exception to the whole history of the Nation? Political reality? You can go back through the whole history of the world and find things that would disturb you apparently. So what makes Palin more dangerous than anyone else in the history of the world? Or Obama less so?
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Apparently Lincoln, FDR and JFK.
To the degree that any of those presidents acted violently upon people and sought to justify it using the language of religion i find extremely indefensible and creepy. All rational and humane people should be outraged at any such comments and should take Palin or any other politician including Obama. McCain, or Biden to task for any such comments they make. Tying such violence to gods work is essentially no different than the insane statements we hear from the likes of OBL or the suicide bombers of 9/11.

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So you take exception to the whole history of the Nation? Political reality? You can go back through the whole history of the world and find things that would disturb you apparently. So what makes Palin more dangerous than anyone else in the history of the world? Or Obama less so?
I take exception to the whole history of civilization.

What makes Palin more dangerous than Obama? He is not tied to dominion theology or 'end-times' evangelicalism. As far as i can tell he is tied to liberation theology, i don't find that near as disturbing as Palin religious background.

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I take exception to the whole history of civilization.

What makes Palin more dangerous than Obama? He is not tied to dominion theology or 'end-times' evangelicalism. As far as i can tell he is tied to liberation theology, i don't find that near as disturbing as Palin religious background.

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But what danger do you think it poses? How, with the checks and balances that exist in our system, will this effect our country? You keep saying "dangerous." What is the danger?

So far, all I'm getting from your hysterical posts is that you don't like evangelicals. Yet can't clearly state why, other than they are "creepy."
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