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Old 09-13-2008
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Yawn. I don't know any 'anti-faith' people. I'm anti fanaticism.

Others aren't.

Gosh, whaddya know?
Fine, be anti-fanaticism. Most rational persons are.

Now, let us know where the fanaticism is that you fear. Rational posters haven't seen it.

Where's the fanatic boogeyman?
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Ha. My argument is that there are too many checks and balances in our system for a President to enact their religious agenda. Which is very logical and true.
Right, that's why we never went into Iraq. We have a government divided by the Constitution in which one part can't by itself go bad and drag the whole government with it. And so Congress, fulfilling its role according to the Constitution, wisely stood up to the president and prevented a foolish, wasteful, nationally destructive war.

Clearly, your argument is not only logical and true, but irrefutable.

All sarcasm aside, what's clear is that all it takes is a situation where for political reasons Congress and the opposition party are afraid to stand up to the president. No other country is powerful enough to hold us back, at most they can refuse to go along, which every significant second-tier power except Great Britain did. But that didn't stop us. And the fact that a list of third-tier non-powers gave token, meaningless assistance allows some people to claim (falsely, of course, but with some trivial surface justification) that it was an international effort.

I wish your argument was valid. I really do. It should be that way. But it isn't always, unfortunately.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Then you should recheck your argument.

What you say can't happened already has.
For that to be true, I'd have to agree that the reason we're in Iraq is to further Bush's religious agenda. As I have a brother who has served there, you'd have to provide some actual proof for that.

And I said specifically that Iraq will make it incredibly hard for the President to sell another war.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Right, that's why we never went into Iraq. We have a government divided by the Constitution in which one part can't by itself go bad and drag the whole government with it. And so Congress, fulfilling its role according to the Constitution, wisely stood up to the president and prevented a foolish, wasteful, nationally destructive war.

Clearly, your argument is not only logical and true, but irrefutable.
uh huh.....
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Right, that's why we never went into Iraq. We have a government divided by the Constitution in which one part can't by itself go bad and drag the whole government with it. And so Congress, fulfilling its role according to the Constitution, wisely stood up to the president and prevented a foolish, wasteful, nationally destructive war.

Clearly, your argument is not only logical and true, but irrefutable.
ORR.... The Senators actually believed it was something that they believed in and didn't go back on that until they realized the public wasn't in support of it.

If someone can prove that the only reason we're in Iraq is because of Bush's religious agenda, then maybe we could make some headway here.

Of course, you still believe that McCain made up the whole unable to type thing yesterday in response to Obama's ad when it was already published in 2000. So I'm not counting on you providing a lot of intelligence to this debate either.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Right, that's why we never went into Iraq. We have a government divided by the Constitution in which one part can't by itself go bad and drag the whole government with it. And so Congress, fulfilling its role according to the Constitution, wisely stood up to the president and prevented a foolish, wasteful, nationally destructive war....
Yeah, both the Executive and Legislative branches liked the notion.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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ORR.... The Senators actually believed it was something that they believed in and didn't go back on that until they realized the public wasn't in support of it.
It's true that's a possible explanation, but it isn't even remotely likely. Nor do I believe for a second that you believe it yourself. These are politicians we're talking about. Democrats, at that. They saw that the country was behind the president in the aftermath of 9/11, and for several years followed him like craven dogs.

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If someone can prove that the only reason we're in Iraq is because of Bush's religious agenda, then maybe we could make some headway here.
I don't actually think that is the only reason, but if it's part of the reason, it's scary. There's also the oil profits, which I'm sure was a big part. Then there was Saddam's threat to Bush's dad. I'm sure there were a number of reasons, just no good ones.

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Of course, you still believe that McCain made up the whole unable to type thing yesterday
No, I believe that McCain isn't able to type, I just don't believe that has anything to do with why he isn't computer-literate, if that's true. And what's more, I said so, clearly enough for any honest person to understand. And so when you follow up the above disingenuous remark with the following:

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So I'm not counting on you providing a lot of intelligence to this debate either.
I'm afraid it means that I can't count on you to provide any honest discussion here.

Although it's true that sometimes dishonesty can be intelligent.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Fine, be anti-fanaticism. Most rational persons are.

Now, let us know where the fanaticism is that you fear. Rational posters haven't seen it.

Where's the fanatic boogeyman?
Here's the fanatic boogeyman:
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.... I'm constantly trying to align myself to what I think he calls on me to do. And sometimes you hear it strongly and sometimes that voice is more muted....
This kook tells us God speaks to him and calls on him.












(Barack Obama)
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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It's true that's a possible explanation, but it isn't even remotely likely. Nor do I believe for a second that you believe it yourself. These are politicians we're talking about. Democrats, at that. They saw that the country was behind the president in the aftermath of 9/11, and for several years followed him like craven dogs.



I don't actually think that is the only reason, but if it's part of the reason, it's scary. There's also the oil profits, which I'm sure was a big part. Then there was Saddam's threat to Bush's dad. I'm sure there were a number of reasons, just no good ones.



No, I believe that McCain isn't able to type, I just don't believe that has anything to do with why he isn't computer-literate, if that's true. And what's more, I said so, clearly enough for any honest person to understand. And so when you follow up the above disingenuous remark with the following:



I'm afraid it means that I can't count on you to provide any honest discussion here.

Although it's true that sometimes dishonesty can be intelligent.
Mmm. Who's not being honest?

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So you're going with the theory that the campaign was too stupid to do a google search so they'd know to cut the second line to avoid embarrassment?

No, I'm going with the theory that the entire connection between McCain's inability to use a computer and his war injuries is something dreamed up in response to the ad, and has no validity whatsoever. Doing a search beforehand would have been useless, because there was nothing to find.
Or, you know, intelligent, since you posted it on this site, yesterday.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

If the Dems are going to fear-monger about fanaticism with a candidate, then they need to do some with ALL the candidates who think God calls on them, speaks to them, that they're doing God's will, etc.

To do otherwise is obvious partisan blindness.

Too bad BHO also has faith as it nullifies the faith fear-mongering we've been tolerating for years.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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For that to be true, I'd have to agree that the reason we're in Iraq is to further Bush's religious agenda.
No, you wouldn't. You'd only have to acknowledge that we're there, and then work backwords.
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As I have a brother who has served there, you'd have to provide some actual proof for that.
I cannot in any way prove that your brother served there. I can, however, assure you that it's utterly irrelevant to this discussion.
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And I said specifically that Iraq will make it incredibly hard for the President to sell another war.
That has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but I agree.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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No, you wouldn't. You'd only have to acknowledge that we're there, and then work backwords.

I cannot in any way prove that your brother served there. I can, however, assure you that it's utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

That has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but I agree.
Aw, sweetie, I wasn't asking you to prove my brother was there. You're so cute.
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Re: Latest attack on Palin. She prays!

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Aw, sweetie, I wasn't asking you to prove my brother was there. You're so cute.
Winking right back atchya, sugarbear.
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The focus of the left is becoming clearer. They want to paint Gov. Sarah Palin as a religious extremist.

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Cintra Wilson, a committed feminist feminazi and writer at Salon.com, uses the following descriptions for Gov. Sarah Palin on 9/10/08 in Salon.com:

“may be a lady, but she ain’t no woman”
“a boost of political Viagra for the limp, bloodless GOP”
“a hyperconservative, fu**able, Type A, antiabortion, Christian Stepford wife in a ’sexy librarian’ costume”
“she is their hardcore pornographic centerfold spread”
“an opportunistic anti-female”
“akin to ideological brain rape”
“Republican blowup doll”
“sheep in ewe’s clothing”
“self-abnegating, submissive female Uncle Tommies whose ambitions and eagerness to please the powerful males of their tribe”
“the Carmella Soprano of the GOP — an enabling wife of organized crime, who sees, hears and speaks no evil of the boys in her old-boy network for whom she does this ideological lap dance”
“the White House bunny”
“the sexual front of the culture war and the embodiment of the bold social engineering stance of the new authoritarianism that Republicans have been employing…”
“an It Girl vice president who is easy on the eyes…”
“a grown-up version of Mary Ann from ‘Gilligan’s Island‘”
“Sarah Palin and her virtual burqa”
“such a power-mad, backwater beauty-pageant casualty, it’s easy to write her off and make fun of her”
“She is not just pro-life, she’s anti-life”
“She is the suppression of human feeling and instinct”
“She is a slave to the compromises dictated by her own desire for power and control”
“Sarah Palin is untethered from her own needs and those of her family…”
“Sarah Palin may put out to be popular”

Cintra Wilson (Source: Mac.com)


Hardcore, left-wing, feminist ideologues zeroing in on their target, Gov. Sarah Palin. « Republican Party of Jefferson County, TN
Matt Damon says he doesn't want a VP that believes that Dinosaurs were on Earth 4000 yrs. ago.

Whoopi Goldberg thought that having Sarah Palin as VP was a violation of the imaginary seperation of church and state. She even asked McCain if a strict constitutionalist judge might mean she might have to go back to being a slave.

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GOLDBERG: Should I be worried about being a slave, about being returned to slavery because certain things happened in the Constitution that you had to change.

McCAIN: I, I understand your point.

GOLDBERG: Okay, okay.

McCAIN: I understand that point and I, I, [applause] thank you. That’s an excellent point.

GOLDBERG: Thank you sir.

McCAIN: And I thank you.

WALTERS: Before we go, before we go, just to give a different picture because you talk- [laughter]

GOLDBERG: I got scared.

JOY BEHAR: She’s picturing herself on the plantation.

GOLDBERG: I got scared. I gotta start running.

WALTERS: You and Sherri, we’ll take care of you. Us white folk will take care of you.

SHERRI SHEPHERD: Oh my God.


Whoopi asks McCain: “Do I have to be worried about becoming a slave again?” | Right Voices
Yet Susan Sarandon, Donna Brazile, and Steve Cohen repeated the silly mantra that Jesus was a Community Organizer and Ponchus Pilate was a Governor.


They don't want God in government but they can misquote the gospel to attempt to prove their point.

Sounds like double-talk to me. It also seems like these people aren't living in the real world. These people's minds are totally screwed up with hatred. Is it any wonder that a man who only wanted to defend the United States from further terrorists attacks like the ones on 9/11 became such a focus of hatred. Now we can see why they attacked him after seeing what they're saying about Sarah Palin.

It's just bigotry, pure and simple.

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Re: Bigotry against religion is new plan of attack against Palin.

Does anyone else think that the sexist and anti-religion backlash is just more visible than the racism backlash? The more I see people's hatred toward Palin, the more I believe in the Bradley effect.
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