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Old 10-06-2008
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

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Not exactly. I don't want the government to pick up the tab for all those TV commercials, junk mail, spam, phone calls and the rest; I want all that to stop completely.

Have the candidates' platforms published, let someone offer up "debates", they can ride around and give speeches on their own dime. No PACS, no 5hundred somethings or the like, no monitary fees to run, all volunteer armies.

It may not be possible to do it with zero dollars but as close to that as is possible is what I'd like to see.
That's where we part ways then. I want an informed public, not one that is even more clueless than it is now.
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

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The money in question is campaign contributions. So long as it takes lots of money to get elected, the legislator will become corrupt. Take that money out of the equation and honor can return to the process.
That would be unconstitutional. People have a right to not have govt restrict free speech. Also, the problem is still that we let them get away with it. We do not need laws to cleanup govt. We need people to stop being stupid.
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

Jviehe, do you have any stats on what cycle of elections saw the highest % of incumbents defeated? (Or maybe Goober or someone else with a knowledge of these things?)

It would be interesting to see what the highest level of anti-incumbent sentiment has ever been. And what theoretically it would take to send enough Congressmen and Senators home this time.
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

I suspect it was 1994, but I cant be sure. That would take more research than I wish to do. You would think with a congressional approval rating lower than any in history, it would happen now, but people are dumb masses. Democrats offer to take money from the rich and buy them things. As long as 5% of the country is paying for everything, and govt has the power to keep it that way, itll continue. I dont see a way to educate the masses as to their stupidity. Especially when the govt is willing to spend a trillion as soon as some hardship looks apparent.
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

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That would be unconstitutional. People have a right to not have govt restrict free speech. Also, the problem is still that we let them get away with it. We do not need laws to cleanup govt. We need people to stop being stupid.



They can say anything they want, they can even put bif old signs in their yards. The candidates would not be allowed to take their money is all.
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They can say anything they want, they can even put bif old signs in their yards. The candidates would not be allowed to take their money is all.
That would be unconstitutional. Giving money to a candidate is free speech, and has been confirmed as such by the supreme court.
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That would be unconstitutional. Giving money to a candidate is free speech, and has been confirmed as such by the supreme court.


Public financing isn't constitutional, but be that as it may, anything can become constitutional if the people will it.

Do people really want change or do they just enjoy griping about it ?
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Public financing isn't constitutional, but be that as it may, anything can become constitutional if the people will it.

Do people really want change or do they just enjoy griping about it ?
Do you think we should change the constitution to eliminate free speech?
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

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That would be unconstitutional. Giving money to a candidate is free speech, and has been confirmed as such by the supreme court.
Hence the saying "Money Talks"?


Why can't we have a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" Box!!!
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Re: 4 Nov 2008 - "Fire the incumbents day"

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Do you think we should change the constitution to eliminate free speech?


No. I think you should be free to say whatever you want.

I think it should be illegal to give money to polititians.
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