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When things get tough down here, you turn tail and head north. An American stays...
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Things are pretty low...and they'll naturallly get better. Bush was perceived to have inherited prosperity and squandered it....went from a high to a very low low. The result is that he's not going to be looked back on very favorably. On the other hand many past presidents reputations have benefitted from taking office during tough times and steering us to a better place. There is a huge mess to inherit here. In light of that, I think most people aren't expecting miracles, and would be satisfied merely with stabilization and some kind of feeling that the government is thinking/planning ahead instead of denying, then reacting.
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I can , I have never know republicans to adopt the attitude that the citizen's life must be subsidized, cradle to grave. Republicans spend more on defense, dems spend more on handout programs and programs that the govt shouldn't be in to begin with.
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You don't know jack shit about me.
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“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."-Sarah Palin, not having a clue once again about what she is talking about. |
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The next 4 years are going to SUCK. I have hope and I want change, but right now the future is not looking good there are going to have to be major sacrifices made by ALL patriotic Americans.
Didn't say that during his run, did he? Wealthier Americans are going to have to pony up a little more in taxes each year. Corporations who hide profits off shore will no longer receive ANY tax incentives from the Federal government. So he's found a way to tax big corporations with no impact to the consumer? Brilliant! And Americans are going to have to sacrifice a little themselves. Particularly when it comes to oil. If you can carpool and you don't? You're going to need to. I'm going to initiate a massive public transportation construction project around the country (put people to work). But I won't get to watch my fav DVD on the way in. will the public train stop at Starbucks? This guy next to me smells bad......... ![]() Let me be clear. We're NOT going to solve this mess in 4 years. It may take a decade of sacrifice and hardwork. So much for hope and change But if we restructure our economy in a more sustainable way for steady growth, not wall street driven speculation, credit craziness, our country will be stronger for the long run. IOW, let the govt regulate, fund, and run everything, it's for our own good, right? Last edited by chassisman; 10-10-2008 at 11:02 AM. |
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Re: This is a terrible time..........
But how do you know that things can't become worse?
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Own it. Whatever the Dems do, the Republicans have a compulsive need to outdo them every time, from spending to sex scandals.
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“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."-Sarah Palin, not having a clue once again about what she is talking about. |
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Your attitude is a perfect example of why we are so hopelessly fucked. Look for 4 more years of finger pointing non productive bullshit. I really wish there would be another American revolution so the Conservatives and Liberals could rip this country in two.
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This is where I'll defend Obama even though I have many problems with him from Afghanistan to his domestic spending; he gives you the feeling that at 3 a.m. when the phone is ringing, he's going to be like Bill Clinton and will probably be up at that time to answer it anyway.
What I mean is that it feels like we're finally going to return to an administration that's awake, doesn't live in a bubble, and responds and communicates things quickly to us. Nearly all of the problems we have right now were avoidable ones, or problems that got much worse by dropping the ball on them and ignoring them. Where Bush should have been paying attention, ignoring things made things worse, and by messing around in places he should have ignored, he made things worse in those departments as well. Finally, the last big thing is good will. It's amazing how much influence America can have around the world if they have a leader that people really like and look up to. What George W. Bush never figured out is that you get much better results by lending people one's good will and respect instead of acting like either John Wayne or a bratty teenager. It's going to piss off the neo-cons something awful in the coming years as the world community warms back up to America and Obama and our return to at least a basic level of competence once again.
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“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."-Sarah Palin, not having a clue once again about what she is talking about. |
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It's going to piss off the neo-cons something awful in the coming years as the world community warms back up to America and Obama and our return to at least a basic level of competence once again.
OK mr. Crystal ball.
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People are talking about a decade of economic despair?
Based on the fact that some of the banks folded, taking with it some bad mortgages? The market is tanking based on the hype alone now. I've no doubt that the chickens of the "irrational exuberance" of the housing bubble will come home to roost, but a [i]decade[/]i?
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And that attitude perfectly illustrates my point that modern Republicans need a divided country, while Democrats don't. I think Obama ought to set the congress and the senate a challenge: the more spending you can sacrifice, the less I'll redistribute wealth among classes. He ought to reach out immediately to Republicans by putting sacrifice and spending cuts right out there first. Everyone will have to sacrifice and share the burden equally. In exchange for giving up some on the tax plan, he should be able to keep his healthcare plan in place. I'd like to see some give and take, ultimately, but it's hard to tell. The Republicans had their chance for a few years at controlling everything, and they let it go to their heads and messed up royally. We're now looking at 2 upcoming years with the Dems totally in charge. If they're smart, they'll do something right away like coming up with a huge "sacrifice" initiative to cut spending in order to send a signal to Republicans that even though they control all three branches of the gov't, unlike the Republicans, they'll listen and reach out.
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“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."-Sarah Palin, not having a clue once again about what she is talking about. |
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