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Old 10-10-2008
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Obama will need to stand up on election night and say the following things.

The next 4 years are going to SUCK. I have hope and I want change, but right now the future is not looking good there are going to have to be major sacrifices made by ALL patriotic Americans. Wealthier Americans are going to have to pony up a little more in taxes each year. Corporations who hide profits off shore will no longer receive ANY tax incentives from the Federal government. And Americans are going to have to sacrifice a little themselves. Particularly when it comes to oil. If you can carpool and you don't? You're going to need to. I'm going to initiate a massive public transportation construction project around the country (put people to work). Let me be clear. We're NOT going to solve this mess in 4 years. It may take a decade of sacrifice and hardwork. But if we restructure our economy in a more sustainable way for steady growth, not wall street driven speculation, credit craziness, our country will be stronger for the long run.
Why wait for election night? Why two messages?

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Re: This is a terrible time..........

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iAND without really cutting some fat in the holy areas of entitlements and he will never ever do that...QUOTE]

Obama is also going to cut some of the entitlement programs given to the Iraqi government.
fine by me.......do they have to play along with paygo for that?
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Re: This is a terrible time..........

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I wasn't talking about tax cuts.
yes and? Oh wait I see, so they don't deserve a cut..right got it.
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Re: This is a terrible time..........

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......to become POTUS. Personally , I don't think either candidate can possibly unite the two parties to expedite pulling us up and out of the pickle we're in, and that isn't "their fault", right? As Americans struggle to make ends meet, precious time will be wasted on partisan struggles concerning all things unimportant to the survival of our nation.
Main Street America has yet to feel the pain of the financial crisis that we are just now entering. Most people haven't even thought about the failed businesses, the lost jobs, the decline of quality of life that we will soon experience. The news tells us about the stock market, the falling values of stocks, the plight of the investor and the compromised retirements of millions of Americans, but you have to look hard to see spots on how all this is destined to affect Joe Blow, the blue collar -non investor with a family to feed. What could Obama or McCain possibly do to fix a crisis that was years in the making and now looms at the global level?

All I can say is whoever wins better be ready to leap off the page of their Marvel Comic Book and save the world, we're all counting on them, y'know........

Its a great time to get a president and congress that will put govt back to limited power in order for people to have more influence over their own lives.
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Re: This is a terrible time..........

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fine by me.......do they have to play along with paygo for that?:rolleyes
I don't see anything wrong with "pay as you go" economics but that's because I try to base my opinions on a combonation of facts and common sense.

Obama will put an end to holding the Iraqi government to no standards of progress or accountability.
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yes and? Oh wait I see, so they don't deserve a cut..right got it.
No, I mean I wasn't talking about tax cuts at all. I was talking about government handouts to big corporations, etc.
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Its a great time to get a president and congress that will put govt back to limited power in order for people to have more influence over their own lives.
So I guess you're saying we're screwed.........
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Obama will need to stand up on election night and say the following things.

The next 4 years are going to SUCK. I have hope and I want change, but right now the future is not looking good there are going to have to be major sacrifices made by ALL patriotic Americans.
I see, so who's playing the flag card now?

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Wealthier Americans are going to have to pony up a little more in taxes each year.
news flash- they already py 90% of the taxes while 35% of folks don't pay ANY net taxes....
and I might add theres something called taxation without representation, has anyone thought of the fact that asking 10% of the top eraners to pay an overwhelming amount of the taxes not having a consequently greater say in how they are spent? I thinks thats a thought, but I know the dem mantra is free shit for everyone as long as the rich guy pays for it ...


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Corporations who hide profits off shore will no longer receive ANY tax incentives from the Federal government.
then lower the corp rate.

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And Americans are going to have to sacrifice a little themselves.
what are YOU gonna sacrifice? buy iceberg instead of arugula?

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Particularly when it comes to oil. If you can carpool and you don't? You're going to need to. I'm going to initiate a massive public transportation construction project around the country (put people to work).
and hes gonna pay for this how? ...uhm hello Amtrack?

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Let me be clear.
oops now things get murky......


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We're NOT going to solve this mess in 4 years. It may take a decade of sacrifice and hardwork. But if we restructure our economy in a more sustainable way for steady growth, not wall street driven speculation, credit craziness, our country will be stronger for the long run.

how about- we won't attempt to bankrupt the system by enacting measures that don't mathematically compute, like social engineering people into buying assets they cannot afford?...oh wait, free shit for everyone.....got it, tax the rich....they’ll pay your mortgage, CC bill, car loan payment.....
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Re: This is a terrible time..........

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......to become POTUS. Personally , I don't think either candidate can possibly unite the two parties to expedite pulling us up and out of the pickle we're in, and that isn't "their fault", right? As Americans struggle to make ends meet, precious time will be wasted on partisan struggles concerning all things unimportant to the survival of our nation.
Main Street America has yet to feel the pain of the financial crisis that we are just now entering. Most people haven't even thought about the failed businesses, the lost jobs, the decline of quality of life that we will soon experience. The news tells us about the stock market, the falling values of stocks, the plight of the investor and the compromised retirements of millions of Americans, but you have to look hard to see spots on how all this is destined to affect Joe Blow, the blue collar -non investor with a family to feed. What could Obama or McCain possibly do to fix a crisis that was years in the making and now looms at the global level?

All I can say is whoever wins better be ready to leap off the page of their Marvel Comic Book and save the world, we're all counting on them, y'know........
*salutes Chassisman and cheers his retro lookin' avatar*

i agree with ya here, mate.

in this day 'o "i want solutions, and want'm NOW, and i want things fixed...today!!!!!" kinda mindset, i don't think that either mr. obama or mr. mccain will serve more than one term.

no matter who be elected captain, they'll be blamed fer the woeful state 'o things. mccain won't be able to deliver on his corporate tax cuts....obama won't be able to deliver on his elaborate and multi-faceted social policies.

the congress (whoever be in power) and the president (whoever be elected) will be blamed fer not deliverin' us, superhero style, from our ailments.

it makes this pirate wonder, though...

be this the fault 'o the american public? are we, as americans, really ready to hear bad news? are we really ready to hear that the short term (short term meanin' years, not weeks or months) future isn't bright? are we, as americans, ready to accept that sacrifice and havin' less is somethin' we all gotta embrace? the candidates aren't goin' off half cocked, makin' things up as they go along...they are tellin' us what carefully calibrated polls and focus groups say they gotta tell us. some 'o the brightest and most insightful minds in the country have made a calculation as to what americans are prepared to hear; them stump speeches aren't spur 'o the moment flights 'o fancy, aye?

aye.

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No more of these for a while? You don't say.........
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Re: This is a terrible time..........

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So I guess you're saying we're screwed.........
Pretty much, although I know which major candidate it more likely to that, even though its still unlikely. The lesser of two evils is clear. The ideal candidate is not. I beleive that the correct direction at this point is to reduce govt, and put more power and money in the people hands, so that they can solve their problems individually. THis is not the time to spend 15 bil on NASA, 10 bil on earmarks, etc. The govt has been living beyond its means. Now its time to pay.
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I don't see anything wrong with "pay as you go" economics but that's because I try to base my opinions on a combonation of facts and common sense.
you don't see anything wrong with locking up spending and only funding something else or increasing funding if you can tax folks? or "adding to the economy" okay sure...


sorta like the AMT which was miraculously given a free pass form paygo

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Obama will put an end to holding the Iraqi government to no standards of progress or accountability.
he will? gee hows he gonna do that? accroding to him the surge didn't do squat, you have to understand the problem before you attempt to fix it ..you know?

and it appears you are ill informed because this "accountability" or lack of it, is a myth thats been exploded by about a year, you bought it because Obama told you so....congrats...hes agianst revamped Fisa and amnesty for the telecoms too..bank that
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No more of these for a while? You don't say.........
awww man Those would look great on my Jeep! And what gal couldn't use a grill like his

In all seriousness...I would be more comfortable with Obama if he had a history of doing the things he's promoting he'll do. Since his record doesn't reflect tax cuts, then I don't believe he will cut taxes. Since his record doesn't reflect change, then I don't see him making changes.
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No more of these for a while? You don't say.........
yo, bac up off my dubs....you feel me?
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Maybe this will be the well-deserved death of that fad called bling, and it might be an excellent cure for obesity - if the entitlements are not ramped up, that is.
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