I hope your right

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The bush administration and bank lobbyists proudly killing our economic system - 2003.

This election will be decided by the dead. The voting dead, that is. And the dead want change we can believe in (tm).

Hey, the dead have been voting in Chicago for over 60 years! Now, thanks to Obama's inspiration, the dead are coming out across the country to vote...

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"The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit."
- Milton Friedman

"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
- George Orwell

The tricks that were pulled involved denying people voting rights on dubious grounds in Florida, and maybe some electronic vote fraud in Ohio. But there are limits to how much you can get away with doing that sort of thing. If the polls say that one candidate is winning a state by 12%, and on election night it comes back with the other candidate winning by 8%, that looks fishy as hell. Plus nowadays people are insisting on paper trails, so it's possible to check the electronic vote. (And I voted by mail myself.) You can't have the vote from fantasyland. There's always a margin of error, so you can get away with shaving a percentage point or two sometimes (although even that's risky), but that's about it.

So the answer is that we do know in the ballpark of where the vote was in 2004, just as we do every year. Bush didn't win honestly either time. Without the dishonesty, I don't think he would have won in 2000, but I'm not so sure about 2004, which was not quite as close. And I'm equally sure that JFK didn't win honestly in 1960. But those were all really close elections. No amount of fraud would have given the win to Goldwater in 1964 or Mondale in 1984. And there's no way that McCain is going to be able to steal this one, either, because it's just not close enough, even if he were willing to try.

In fact, you said ME.

Would you like to retract your claim? And besides, youre just digging your hole deeper. What am I like, that makes these peopel like me?

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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

-Thomas Jefferson