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Re: Here's your MSM coverage of the debate tonight

I think that John McCain won the debate.

My only disappointment, was that he did not press the "Bill Ayers issue" more.

I waited with bated breath, for McCain to expound on the fact the Bill Ayers is an "unrepentant terrorist". And that Obama still associates himself with him.

I also wanted him to talk further about the Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko. All Chicago goons and Obama associates.

I wanted him to show the American people, that Obama has a "judgment issue", pertaining to the company that he keeps. That he is simply unaware, that he has kept company with terrorists, felons and America hater's, until someone points it out to him.

Can we trust a person like that, to become the commander and chief of this country?
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I think that John McCain won the debate.

My only disappointment, was that he did not press the "Bill Ayers issue" more.

I waited with bated breath, for McCain to expound on the fact the Bill Ayers is an "unrepentant terrorist". And that Obama still associates himself with him.

I also wanted him to talk further about the Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko. All Chicago goons and Obama associates.

I wanted him to show the American people, that Obama has a "judgment issue", pertaining to the company that he keeps. That he is simply unaware, that he has kept company with terrorists, felons and America hater's, until someone points it out to him.

Can we trust a person like that, to become the commander and chief of this country?
Absolutely. I see no connection.
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Absolutely. I see no connection.
I do. It shows Obama's lack of judgement. His ablility to have thing pass over his head.

A huge problem if you are the commander and chief.
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I do. It shows Obama's lack of judgement. His ablility to have thing pass over his head.

A huge problem if you are the commander and chief.
How does it show a lack of judgement?
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McCain buried himself with 3 things:

1) Ridiculing Obama for wanting to protect the health of pregnant women in the Abortion issue.

2) Ridiculing Obama for wanting nuclear power to be safe.

3) Suggesting that it's a good idea to make soldiers into teachers without any certifications or testing or anything.

Point #2 there drives me crazy. He keeps ridiculing him, and his poll numbers go down in Nevada because of it.

It's like he's trying to lose in as many places as possible, on purpose. There's no other way to look at it.

And just when McCain gets revved up, he stops and gets negative and whining, and it just really slowed everything and made him look angry and kinda deranged.

And let me just say, John McCain misunderstands history time and time again. It's appalling. He doesn't know what a Federalist is. He continues to bandy the word around on the trail with Palin, but they don't know what it is because they continue to rail against a centralized gov't while claiming to also be Federalists.

Argh!
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I think that John McCain won the debate.

My only disappointment, was that he did not press the "Bill Ayers issue" more.

I waited with bated breath, for McCain to expound on the fact the Bill Ayers is an "unrepentant terrorist". And that Obama still associates himself with him.

I also wanted him to talk further about the Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko. All Chicago goons and Obama associates.

I wanted him to show the American people, that Obama has a "judgment issue", pertaining to the company that he keeps. That he is simply unaware, that he has kept company with terrorists, felons and America hater's, until someone points it out to him.

Can we trust a person like that, to become the commander and chief of this country?
That kind of hysterical behavior would resonate with partisans while repulsing swing voters. Would the sweetness of that moment for you make up for the loss of what hope is left for a McCain victory in this election?

Do you really think the problem with McCain's candidacy is that he hasn't done enough "guilt by association" mudslinging?
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How does it show a lack of judgement?
No one with good judgement and who truly loves this country called America, will sit on a board with a terrorist who has bombed this country and did not even apologize for it.

They willl not declare their Presidential candidacy in a terrorist's living room.

Obama's association with Ayers, is truly unpatriotic.
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That kind of hysterical behavior would resonate with partisans while repulsing swing voters. Would the sweetness of that moment for you make up for the loss of what hope is left for a McCain victory in this election?

Do you really think the problem with McCain's candidacy is that he hasn't done enough "guilt by association" mudslinging?
I do not believe that there is a problem with McCain's campaign.

The problem lies with voters like you, who have been duped and hoodwinked by Obama's ability to sweet talk you, into thinking that he is really gonna do something for you.

The man is the ultimate "sweet talker". The sad thing is, people like you buy it.

I have too much of a discerning eye for that.

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No one with good judgement and who truly loves this country called America, will sit on a board with a terrorist who has bombed this country and did not even apologize for it.

They willl not declare their Presidential candidacy in a terrorist's living room.

Obama's association with Ayers, is truly unpatriotic.
But how does that show bad judgement? What do you mean by bad judgement? Maybe, at most it shows bad political judgement, but since his association with Ayers has nothing to do with policy it doesn't affect his judgement to lead. But even if you believed it represents bad judgement politicially, you are implying he believes his association with Ayers would further his political career and help him in the long wrong. I think his association may have helped it at the time and I don't believe his association is really hurting him right now anyways.
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This 'Joe the Plumber' thing could become a Frank Capra-esque story in the last weeks of the election. All of a sudden, he is a representative of America a la 'Swing State' and he could become the celebrity that sways the last of the undecided voters.

It'll be a real test of the MSM if they bring him on every morning show. If this situation were flipped, Joe would be on every single show as many times as possible...
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But how does that show bad judgement? What do you mean by bad judgement? Maybe, at most it shows bad political judgement, but since his association with Ayers has nothing to do with policy it doesn't affect his judgement to lead. But even if you believed it represents bad judgement politicially, you are implying he believes his association with Ayers would further his political career and help him in the long wrong. I think his association may have helped it at the time and I don't believe his association is really hurting him right now anyways.
Let us say that there is economic crisis looming. Obama will not posess the wisdom to do what is necessary to stave it off. He will not know that we are on the brink of one, until one of his aides tap him on his shoulder and told him that we are in the middle of an economic crisis.

Sen. Obama lacks the vision and wisdom, to avoid pitfalls.

A necessary skill as a leader of any country.
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This 'Joe the Plumber' thing could become a Frank Capra-esque story in the last weeks of the election. All of a sudden, he is a representative of America a la 'Swing State' and he could become the celebrity that sways the last of the undecided voters.

It'll be a real test of the MSM if they bring him on every morning show. If this situation were flipped, Joe would be on every single show as many times as possible...
Obama's got an average 8% lead nationally right now; about 50-42%. The number of swing voters is now in single digits.

I imagine John McCain can sway some of them and tighten things up some, but my prediction from 3 or so months ago was 52-47 for Obama, and that's aobut where we're headed.
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I do not believe that there is a problem with McCain's campaign.
Remind me to short sell if you're ever appointed CEO of a company in which I hold stock. Generally, struggling enterprises, have ipso facto problems. Some of these may well have been out of McCain's control, but to say that his campaign has no problems is silly, or he wouldn't be fighting for his political life in states that Bush won easily over Kerry.

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The problem lies with voters like you, who have been duped and hoodwinked by Obama's ability to sweet talk you, into thinking that he is really gonna do something for you.

The man is the ultimate "sweet talker". The sad thing is, people like you buy it.
"Duped"? Obama's a Democrat, and generally speaking, I'm in too high of a tax bracket for my age to believe that Democrats are going to "do something for me". Indeed, his and McCain's proposals are basically a wash for me on that matter. My stake in this election is what I believe will likely stabilize the markets in the short term and what will likely create a better living situation for me in the long term. Democrats tend to raise taxes and introduce nanny-state legislation while Republicans, these days, tend to thump bibles, spend money, and engage in liberal nation building adventures. This doesn't exactly make my choice a pleasant one.

I'm one of the aforementioned swing voters, and the more I hear about non-issues like Keating, Wright, "Trooper-gate" or Ayers, the more annoyed I become. Given the relatively unique time and troubles of the country, it's somewhat refreshing that the discussion largely shifts away from this kind of shit and other things that don't matter, like abortion or gay marriage. So, for McCain to stand up on stage and rail on about Ayers or Obama's blowhard pastor would make him sound desperate and without a plan to me.

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I way too discerning for that.
I have a sneaking suspicion that "discerning", in your vocabulary is synonymous with "pulling the lever of whoever has an R next to his name without caring what he proposes or how he proposes to do it, and caring only a little if he actually has a heartbeat."

If there's one thing that I tend not to associate with partisans, it's the adjective "discerning". If I'm wrong about a partisan (I can't honestly recall your posting style), my apologies in advance.
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Let us say that there is economic crisis looming. Obama will not posess the wisdom to do what is necessary to stave it off. He will not know that we are on the brink of one, until one of his aides tap him on his shoulder and told him that we are in the middle of an economic crisis.

Sen. Obama lacks the vision and wisdom, to avoid pitfalls.

A necessary skill as a leader of any country.
This has nothing to do with Ayers.
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Remind me to short sell if you're ever appointed CEO of a company in which I hold stock. Generally, struggling enterprises, have ipso facto problems. Some of these may well have been out of McCain's control, but to say that his campaign has no problems is silly, or he wouldn't be fighting for his political life in states that Bush won easily over Kerry.



"Duped"? Obama's a Democrat, and generally speaking, I'm in too high of a tax bracket for my age to believe that Democrats are going to "do something for me". Indeed, his and McCain's proposals are basically a wash for me on that matter. My stake in this election is what I believe will likely stabilize the markets in the short term and what will likely create a better living situation for me in the long term. Democrats tend to raise taxes and introduce nanny-state legislation while Republicans, these days, tend to thump bibles, spend money, and engage in liberal nation building adventures. This doesn't exactly make my choice a pleasant one.

I'm one of the aforementioned swing voters, and the more I hear about non-issues like Keating, Wright, "Trooper-gate" or Ayers, the more annoyed I become. Given the relatively unique time and troubles of the country, it's somewhat refreshing that the discussion largely shifts away from this kind of shit and other things that don't matter, like abortion or gay marriage. So, for McCain to stand up on stage and rail on about Ayers or Obama's blowhard pastor would make him sound desperate and without a plan to me.



I have a sneaking suspicion that "discerning", in your vocabulary is synonymous with "pulling the lever of whoever has an R next to his name without caring what he proposes or how he proposes to do it, and caring only a little if he actually has a heartbeat."

If there's one thing that I tend not to associate with partisans, it's the adjective "discerning". If I'm wrong about a partisan (I can't honestly recall your posting style), my apologies in advance.

If McCain "railed" about Obama's association with Bill Ayers, then he will be simply telling the truth to the American public. Do you see a problem with that?

And are you that gullible, that think that Obama is ONLY going to raise taxes on a certain income bracket, people making $250,000 or more? When you start raising taxes, on one class, it usually extends across the board.

Regarding Obama's polls numbers, it is not that Obama has done anything to show that he will be a capable leader. People are scared about the economy and they are simply voting their fears.

I tend to vote for whom I think will be an effective President.

Fears are fleeting.
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