But it was John McCain who said he wanted to buy Joe thePlumber that new business he really wants.

I'm not sure what insurance the politicians have, but retired military has Tri-care which is very good. I pay alittle over $500.00 a year for Myself, my wife and 2 Grand kids. Copay $12.00. My wife had a major operation on sept.2 08. The final cost was around $75K, I only had to pay $3K tri-care picked up the rest. This is a Gov. sponsered Co. but not ran by the Gov. If this type of policy could be offered to others it would most likely lower the cost even more.

Heh, FOX is saying Joe the Plumber won the debate.

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

Give him a six pack.

I must have missed that part. I think we all missed the part where Obama told us where the imaginary line between "big business" and "small business" lies. Everyone in the middle is wondering how big that fine will be.

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He is the messiah. Bow to him to his brilliance. He will do everything for everyone everytime. He is the cure, the remedy for all that ails you. He is "the one". He is "OBAMESSIAH".

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

No doubt Obama is the smooth talker here. If you vote for people based on how smooth the BS goes down, Obama wins.

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http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

I specifically missed the part where McCain didn't step up and ask where that line is.

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There is no secret ingredient.

McCain came out strong, but then in the middle section he kind of got very cry-baby and whiney.

"I am not George Bush" said McCain, at least 3 months too late.

McCain was aggressive from the beginning, but his lack of grace and the middle section of this debate where everything just kind of slowed down to a halt while he was waiting for a series of apologies that weren't ever going to come cost him the win tonight.

The SCOTUS talk was interesting. McCain did himself no favors by saying he likes Ginsburg and Breyer.

His talk of balancing the budget in 4 years is ridiculous.

No kidding.

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All the people calling Obama's positions BS in this thread...I can't wait for your reactions when Obama turns the country around and you are benefitting from his "BS" policies. Go read my conservatism is dead in America thread for some pointers.

As for the debate...yawn. So many issues not discussed.

The thing is Danny... your thread topic was BS as well. Two bullshits don't spell truth IMO.

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Remember the Turkey Genocide.

I just read that John McCain is going to dump Sarah Palin.

Below is his new running mate;

I'll say it over and over. I think Obama gave a weak debate performance in the first half an hour. If that's all people watched then I think it will hurt him in the polls. I also completely think that McCain got really whiney and complainy and....grouncy. People have just decided they want change. Two straight years of consistent branding works people and Obama has done that. Now, will he have big majorities. I'm not sure. I think McCain did his best work against Democrats, rather than against Obama.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

McCain buried himself with 3 things:

1) Ridiculing Obama for wanting to protect the health of pregnant women in the Abortion issue.

2) Ridiculing Obama for wanting nuclear power to be safe.

3) Suggesting that it's a good idea to make soldiers into teachers without any certifications or testing or anything.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears