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So Kenya arrests Corsi because he's investigating Obama. Just a little innocent deportation. Nothing funny going on here.

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Mate, he didn't have his immigration papers-so they didn't let him in. Nothing to do with his views on Obama-no papers...you don't get in. Very simple.
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

Mud. Seriously. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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Mate, he didn't have his immigration papers-so they didn't let him in. Nothing to do with his views on Obama-no papers...you don't get in. Very simple.
Yeah, no papers.

I figured they would make up some kind of excuse.

Well he got in. Somebody must have let him in.

Then Obama got wind of what he was doing and they locked him up, scared the shit out of him. Made him think they were gonna kill him, then deported him.
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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Yeah, no papers.

I figured they would make up some kind of excuse.

Well he got in. Somebody must have let him in.

Then Obama got wind of what he was doing and they locked him up, scared the shit out of him. Made him think they were gonna kill him, then deported him.
More baseless blabbering.

Kindly supply proof.

Yawn. You won't.

You lose.

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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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Yeah, no papers.

I figured they would make up some kind of excuse.

Well he got in. Somebody must have let him in.

Then Obama got wind of what he was doing and they locked him up, scared the shit out of him. Made him think they were gonna kill him, then deported him.
I have another totally made up explanation which makes it as valid as yours.

Corsi went looking for some dirt. He didn't find any so he pointed out to some Kenyan officials that he didn't have the proper papers to be in the country. He was then held until his scheduled flight left the country thus avoiding an embarrassing press conference where he knew that he would be subject to ridicule because of his lack of anything substantive.

Since he has had plenty of time since he left Kenya to disclose what he found and since he has said nothing, I suspect that is exactly what he uncovered.

My explanation is made up but at least it has the benefit of correlating with the facts.
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Old 10-26-2008
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

There is absolutely no doubt that Obama views himself not as merely the 44th President but as a trancendental figure with a budding mandate to take America in whatever direction he wants. I have little doubt that he will use his lawyerly training to manipulate the edges of constitutional law in ways that will undermine the opposition and entrench his liberal policies. He's taking power during an economic crisis, with a supermajority in Congress, and I'm sure we'll see moves from Obama that rival those of FDR during his megalomania period. It wouldn't shock me if they revisit FDRs idea of enlarging the Supreme Court so as to pack it with liberals, just as they're already promising the unconstitutional move of giving DC voting representatives in Congress in order to add 2 more Senators to their majority.

The first test for Obama will be how quickly he moves to repeal the USA PATRIOT Act. This has been a bugaboo of the left for 7 years, a major talking point during his left-wing courtship. Will he keep his promises to MoveOn.org and endanger the lives of Americans, or will he govern responsibly and use the emminently reasonable powers of that Act aggressively in order to keep us safe.

How loudly will MoveOn.org squeal when the act isn't repealed within the first 100 days?
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Old 10-26-2008
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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He's taking power during an economic crisis, with a supermajority in Congress
Actually that remains to be seen, but there's a good chance you're right.

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and I'm sure we'll see moves from Obama that rival those of FDR
Definitely. This is a Crisis era, as that was, and the call is for decisive action.

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It wouldn't shock me if they revisit FDRs idea of enlarging the Supreme Court so as to pack it with liberals
No, here I disagree. Obama will not repeat Roosevelt's obvious political mistakes. He's not that dumb. He'll invent new ones instead.

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The first test for Obama will be how quickly he moves to repeal the USA PATRIOT Act.
Damn, I hope so -- but that isn't part of Obama's stated agenda. So I'm not going to get my hopes up too far just yet. Actually, the more likely approach will be to amend it to remove all of the provisions that transgress civil liberties, while leaving legitimate security measures.

In any case, the main mandate Obama will have will be to take action on the economy and to pull our troops out of Iraq. On this I'm sure he'll deliver. Any other parts of what you perceive as "the left's agenda" are more uncertain.
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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The first test for Obama will be how quickly he moves to repeal the USA PATRIOT Act. This has been a bugaboo of the left for 7 years, a major talking point during his left-wing courtship. Will he keep his promises to MoveOn.org and endanger the lives of Americans, or will he govern responsibly and use the emminently reasonable powers of that Act aggressively in order to keep us safe.
Ironically, I think the Patriot Act is one of those common ground areas for libertarian/privacy advocates/limited government advocates on both sides...
By far the most strongly anti-Patriot act candidate in the primaries was a Republican.

(And I'm all for repealing it, but I'm fairly doubtful that Obama will.)
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Old 10-27-2008
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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Yeah, no papers.

I figured they would make up some kind of excuse.

Well he got in. Somebody must have let him in.

Then Obama got wind of what he was doing and they locked him up, scared the shit out of him. Made him think they were gonna kill him, then deported him.
Any sources-hell anything at all except base slander? This is juts making you look stupid mate, Obama is not powerful enough to make the Kenyan government deport someone. If you don't have papers you get deported.
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Aye mate. Glad you brought that up!!!

Obama's cousin arrested Corsi.

Is that close enough to Obama for you MATE?

Apparently Obama's cousin isn't a very nice fellow ether:


Barack Obama campaigns for opposition leader Raila Odinga

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Jerome Corsi arrested by Barack Obama’s Cousin in Kenya


By: D. H. Williams @ 4:06 PM - EST



Jerome Corsi author of The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality was arrested and detained in Nairobi, Kenya. A country run by Raila Odinga a man who claims to be a cousin of Democratic Presidential Nominee Barack Obama.

Corsi was grabbed by Odinga thugs as he entered a room to give a press conference about his book and to discuss his visit to Kenya. Corsi was then driven off to an undisclosed location and held for several hours on either an immigration violation or failure to obtain a work permit, official accounts vary.

Corsi’s publicist refutes the validity of the charges saying “His papers were found to be in order. His passport was fine, his visa was fine, … but the government did not want him to launch his book on Kenyan soil. That’s why he has been deported.”

An invitation to the book launch said the event would expose Obama’s “deep secret ties” to mafia-like groups in Kenya.



Barack Obama has previously stated his support for Raila Odinga when he was an opposition leader to the former Kenyan government. Barack campaigned for Odinga in 2006, unfortunately transcripts of Obama’s speeches are not available.



Odinga loses election and the violence begins

Both Obama and Odinga are from the Luo, a Muslim tribe in Kenya who are involved in a clashes with other tribes.



A month after Odinga lost the election for Prime Minister to Mwai Kibaki in December of 2007 a group of ethnic militia sympathetic to Odinga burnt down a Christian church of Kikuyu tribesman murdering 50 people.

Children were burnt alive in broad daylight, family members stood by as the flames and screams of the dying engulfed the church.



“What I saw was unimaginable and indescribable,” said the director of the Kenyan Red Cross, Abbas Gullet, after visiting several of the worst hit areas of western Kenya. “This is a national disaster.”

Engulfed by 2000 raiders loyal to opposition leader Odinga, George Karanja an uncle to one of the dead says, “They started burning the church. The mattresses that people were sleeping on caught fire. There was a stampede, and people fell on one another.”


Mr Karanja said he helped pull out at least 10 people, but “I could not manage to pull out my sister’s son. He was screaming ‘uncle, uncle’… He died.”

“They hacked my father. He is a 90-year-old man. My sister is a widow.” He said the attackers had seen him saving people and began stoning him. He managed to hide by submerging himself in a pit latrine.

On April 17, 2008 Raila Odinga was sworn in as the Kenya’s Prime Minister to end the deadly violence.

More than 1,000 people were killed and 300,000 displaced following the December elections that both Odinga and President Mwai Kibaki claimed to win.





Jerome Corsi arrested by Barack Obama’s Cousin in Kenya | Daily Newscaster
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Re: Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

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Yeah, no papers.

I figured they would make up some kind of excuse.

Well he got in. Somebody must have let him in.

Then Obama got wind of what he was doing and they locked him up, scared the shit out of him. Made him think they were gonna kill him, then deported him.
Bo, ho, ha, ha, ha, ha, the all powerful Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, already in control of the world, bo, ho, ha, ha, ha, ha

Man you are starting to sound like a 9/11 conspiracy nut, oh wait, then maybe it's true.
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Aye mate. Glad you brought that up!!!

Obama's cousin arrested Corsi.

Is that close enough to Obama for you MATE?

Apparently Obama's cousin isn't a very nice fellow ether:


Barack Obama campaigns for opposition leader Raila Odinga
No. They're not cousains-from the same tribe but not blood relations; 'Barack Obama's paternal uncle denied any direct relation to Odinga, stating "Odinga's mother came from this area, so it is normal for us to talk about cousins. But he is not a blood relative'-source News | Africa - Reuters.com

Indeed, he's actually from a different social grouping from Obama-a different 'sub-tribe' if you will-and the links through the fact he comes from the same area as Obamas uncle (who Obama himself has little contact with).
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No. They're not cousains-from the same tribe but not blood relations; 'Barack Obama's paternal uncle denied any direct relation to Odinga, stating "Odinga's mother came from this area, so it is normal for us to talk about cousins. But he is not a blood relative'-source News | Africa - Reuters.com

Indeed, he's actually from a different social grouping from Obama-a different 'sub-tribe' if you will-and the links through the fact he comes from the same area as Obamas uncle (who Obama himself has little contact with).
Sure.

I suppose you think Obama has no pull in Kenya ether.

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A source at Nyayo House, where Dr Corsi was being held, said the author had been detained for references made to Raila Odinga, the Kenyan prime minister, and allegations that his Muslim supporters had engaged in a wave of violence that rocked the country after December’s disputed elections.

The allegations are not taken seriously in Kenya, were Mr Odinga is widely seen to have been cheated out of a legitimate victory.

Carlos Maluta, a senior immigration official in charge of investigations, said Dr Corsi did not have a work permit. "We still haven’t decided what to do with him," he told The Associated Press.

In the promotional literature for his book, Dr Corsi promised to reveal sinister links between Kenyan politicians and Mr Obama.

"Dr Corsi will also expose details of deep secret ties between US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a section of Kenya government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency," it said.

Mr Obama, whose father was a well-known Kenyan economist, is hugely popular across Africa.

In Kenya, his meteoric rise and subsequent fame have won him support across traditional tribal boundaries and left many ordinary people wondering why American right-wingers would wish him ill.

Hawkers in the city centre are selling badges and T-shirts bearing Obama’s image, and every twist of the US election campaign is being followed on television and radio.

Jerome Corsi, anti-Obama author, detained in Kenya - Times Online
I suppose you want to tell me that tribal connections mean nothing.

I was stationed in Somalia for almost a year. Tribal leaders are treated like royalty.

We would show up at some stinking mud-pit of a village in the middle of nowhere and within minutes a guy with the whitest shirt I ever saw would show up and identify himself as chief or tribal leader.

I wondered where he got that shirt from. We were about 200 miles from the nearest modern laundry service. But that shirt was a symbol of his importance.

I suppose you're going to try to tell me there are no thugs in charge of governments in the African continent?

Don't waste my time MATE.
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In Africa tribal ties are everything. Their lives are centered around their tribal chief and their tribe. They hold the important members of their tribe in high regard.

Often disputes between tribal leaders become wholesale disputes between tribes. This was the problem in Moghadishu in 93' when I was there and still is today. Today Al Qaeda has a strong hold there.

Muslims are killing Christians in the Sudan and there is outright genocide going on.

Did you know that many of the slaves that came from Africa hundreds of years ago were tribal members sold into slavery by their chiefs because they wouldn't convert to Islam?
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I wonder why everyone got so quiet since I brought this story into focus?

Could it be that it makes Obama look like just another despot with despot relatives?

Could it be that Obama intends on turning America into an Autocracy or a dictatorship or if given a chance totally change this country regardless of what the Constitution says?

Yesterday an audiotape surfaced from 2001 where Obama was talking about how terrible it was the Supreme Court wasn't able to help him turn this country into France. And that's putting it nicely. I think he wants to steal from earners and give the stolen money to friends to further their goals. 'Camp Obama' Trains Campaign Volunteers : NPR

He intends on giving scraps to poor minorities but he wants to give money to people like Raila Odinga to help him solidify his hold on the government. American Thinker Blog: Obama 2001: Scrap the Constitution, spread the wealth

I think he wants to take away our freedom of speech. He's already trying to do this to any private citizen or journalist that criticizes him by using corrupt government officials and the media to destroy them.

These people work for us. We don't work for them but Obama feels we do. His mindset is that we don't earn our money, we earn the governments money. He's just allowing us to keep some of it.
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