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picaro · #31 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Obama has shown himself to be a bit of a tyrant, and it can only get worse once he's in office.

I can't wait to start grinding it in when all of this blows up in his supporters face in the coming months and years.

He's been busy building a personality cult. Have you read about 'Camp Obama'? It's an interesting little indoctrination camp. Reverend Moon would be proud.

mudwhistle · #32 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008

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Originally Posted by picaro

He's been busy building a personality cult. Have you read about 'Camp Obama'? It's an interesting little indoctrination camp. Reverend Moon would be proud.

I hadn't. I didn't know it already existed. Now I do.

'Camp Obama' Trains Campaign Volunteers : NPR

This is his where his ties to ACORN surfaces. The ACORN leaders and workers went through this training. Obama was the first trainer paid for by the University.

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All campaigns rely heavily on volunteers to carry the candidate's message and do much of the campaign grunt work. And all campaigns spend a significant amount of time and money training volunteers to be more effective. But Riemer says the Obama campaign is trying something different in order to capitalize on the huge number of young people expressing an interest in the Illinois Democratic senator's run for the White House, a demographic that Reimer says campaigns usually ignore or view as unreliable on Election Day.

"Historically, campaigns have looked at young people as the hardest demographics to mobilize," he says. "In reality, if you know what you're doing, they can be one of the easiest to mobilize."

He adds: "The most important thing is that they understand they are an important part of our strategy to win the election. This is not for show, this is not to feel good; this is to get trained and help us to win this election."

Reimer says the campaign needs to equip young volunteers for the long battle ahead in the key early primary and caucus states.

"It's not rocket science," he says. "What we have to do is give them the tools to create a plan and just keep in touch with them as they create their plan and execute it. Winning an election is just a matter of breaking it down into manageable pieces, so we show them what those pieces are, and then turn them loose. As long as we can do that, there's no problem. They can make it happen."

The Obama campaign seems out to avoid the mistakes of some past campaigns, such as that of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean. Dean's electrifying campaign in late 2003 helped mobilize an estimated 1,200 enthusiastic volunteers into Iowa ahead of that state's January 2004 caucuses. But the results were disappointing: Dean's inexperienced and ill-trained team came in third behind the better-organized John Kerry and John Edwards.

Camp Obama director Jocelyn Woodards says her job is capture the enthusiasm of these political novices, who are so eager to volunteer for Obama's bid for the Democratic nomination and teach them the nuts and bolts of presidential campaigning.

"Our campaign has had the benefit of having a lot of enthusiastic volunteers, and so we wanted to make sure that they had real concrete ways to be involved and organize in their local communities. We go through everything from canvassing, phone banking, volunteer recruitment, our campaign message, how to develop an organization locally," she says.

She says the four-day training sessions, with about 50 volunteers in each weekly session, cost the volunteers nothing, though they are responsible for their own transportation and lodging.

University of Iowa student Andrew Wiess, a 21-year-old intern in Obama's Iowa City office, says he hopes the camp makes him and other volunteers greater assets to the campaign, so "you go back to Iowa City, or where ever you're from, and just be able to make more of an impact and really know what you're doing, to maximize your potential that way."

mudwhistle · #33 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008

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'Ruthless' for Obama
WEST LOOP | Intensive course gets volunteers fired up, turns them into activists

September 4, 2007

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter/apallasch@suntimes.com
"The next tip is to be absolutely ruthless," Jocelyn Woodards tells the campers. "We want you to be determined, ambitious, take a risk."

No toasted marshmallows here. This is the second day of Camp Obama, a two-day (sometimes four-day) intensive training course in becoming an activist to help get Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) elected president.

"It's not enough for you to be a supporter of Barack. You have to go out and build an organization that will deliver votes for Barack Obama," Woodards tells the 40 campers -- most in their 20s -- from around the country gathered at the campaign's national headquarters in the West Loop.

Jocelyn Woodards, director of Camp Obama, trains Barack Obama supporters Sunday to campaign for the Illinois senator.
(Keith Hale/Sun-Times)

Obama is not like other candidates, and part of this training is learning to mimic the methods he used before he was an elected official -- back when he was a community organizer in Chicago following the textbook of legendary agitator Saul Alinsky.

Saul Alinsky wanted results

Rivals of Obama know that while he may at times appear to channel Martin Luther King Jr., his methods sometimes give evidence of his allegiance to Alinsky, who shunned starry-eyed idealists and recommended purging do-gooders from organizations. Alinsky wanted results. And his methods often forced the hands of elected officials.

It's not enough to want to help others, Woodards says. These campers need to focus on people's self-interests. What do they want? How can Obama help them?

"We want you to stop thinking about Barack Obama and be Barack Obama," she says.

'Ruthless' for Obama :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Elections

Now we know why ACORN and others have been able to fix the election in so many states. By getting rid of "do-gooders" he can get rid of people who don't believe in breaking election laws. This is all based around using unscrupulous driven individuals to go around election laws to win this election.

mudwhistle · #34 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008

They want people that will get in our face, in public officials faces, just to get what they want, not what is for the common good.

I'm waiting for somebody to say, "Knock off your racist rants, I'm tired of hearing it (the truth)!!"

pramjockey · #35 (**permalink**) 10-28-2008

I suspect that most people are just bored. Your rants are predictable and completely out of touch with reality. And, sinc you're bumping your own threads, nobody else has to.

Screaming_eagle · #36 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008

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Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

If you notice, Bill O'Reilly has become a kitty cat when talking about Obama
He's handling Obama with kid gloves now, in exchange for his exclusive interview where
the threw his (obvious) softball questions at him.

TheHighForester · #37 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Screaming_eagle

If you notice, Bill O'Reilly has become a kitty cat when talking about Obama
He's handling Obama with kid gloves now, in exchange for his exclusive interview where
the threw his (obvious) softball questions at him.

Bill O'Reilly may be a bit of a realist. It's hard to continue your commitment to a candidate who has shown himself to be totally inept. Besides, O'Reilly knows that maintaining good relations with Obama is the only way he'll have access to the White House for the next four years.

mudwhistle · #38 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Screaming_eagle

If you notice, Bill O'Reilly has become a kitty cat when talking about Obama
He's handling Obama with kid gloves now, in exchange for his exclusive interview where
the threw his (obvious) softball questions at him.

He asked him valid questions. He didn't beat around the bush.

I just think most of the bad stuff has come out in the last month.

Obama and his murdering cousin in Kenya, his friendship with a former PLO, this stuff about redistribution of wealth, his ties to ACORN and other groups that are guilty of voter fraud. None of it was well known during the O'Reilly interview.

I wonder what else we're going to find out about Obama in the coming months. Personally I think the SOB needs to be thrown in prison for the shit he's been doing with the help of his friends. He's committed several known felonies, but for some reason he has covered his tracks so well that none of it can be traced to him.

pramjockey · #39 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

He asked him valid questions. He didn't beat around the bush.

I just think most of the bad stuff has come out in the last month.

Obama and his murdering cousin in Kenya, his friendship with a former PLO, this stuff about redistribution of wealth, his ties to ACORN and other groups that are guilty of voter fraud. None of it was well known during the O'Reilly interview.

I wonder what else we're going to find out about Obama in the coming months. Personally I think the SOB needs to be thrown in prison for the shit he's been doing with the help of his friends. He's committed several known felonies, but for some reason he has covered his tracks so well that none of it can be traced to him.

Or, maybe, just maybe, there's no evidence linking to crimes because he didn't commit them?

Just a thought.

Tanngrisnir3 · #40 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Or, maybe, just maybe, there's no evidence linking to crimes because he didn't commit them?

Just a thought.

Shhhhh.... don't spook the horses. It's fun to watch them kick in their own stalls.

WharfedaleTiger · #41 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Or, maybe, just maybe, there's no evidence linking to crimes because he didn't commit them?

Just a thought.

Yep, oh and the president of Kenya is not Obamas cousain-they're just the same tribe...

Screaming_eagle · #42 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

Recently a station began to suffer the wrath of Barack Obama because a interviewer had the audacity to ask Joe Biden "tough questions".

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Barack Obama's campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported .

During a satellite video Thursday, WFTV's Barbara West quoted Karl Marx and asked Biden how Obama's comment to "Joe the Plumber," about spreading the wealth wasn't being Marxist.

"Are you joking?," Biden asked.

West replied, "No."

Biden interview in Florida - Barack Obama Meetups

Interestingly, Youtube.com (who is in the tank for Obama) has pulled the interview. Try to click and watch it Flopping Aces Â» Blog Archive » Obama Thug Machine Punishes TV Station for Asking Tough Questions

Google "Obama punishes television station"
Google "Obama punishes radio station"
Google "Obama pressures television station"
Google "Obama pressures radio station"

See the long, long list of examples where Obama's camp has strongarmed media into doing his bidding, and punishing them when they have acted unfavorably.

As far as "Joe the plumber",

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"joe" is an example.. ask the wrong questions and your life will be turned inside out looking for anything to discredit you

pramjockey · #43 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

Joe decided to make himself a celebrity. If he'd just asked the question and moved on, he'd not have had the press digging into his life.

BTW, seen any evidence that the Obama campaign has had anything to do with this digging?

Or, is this just another example of the lies being told by a desparate GOP?

Tanngrisnir3 · #44 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Screaming_eagle

Obama Building Autocracy Through Intimidation And Smearing The Opposition

Recently a station began to suffer the wrath of Barack Obama because a interviewer had the audacity to ask Joe Biden "tough questions".

That wasn't a tough question to anyone who actually understands what the term 'Marxist' means, which you have repeatedly shown not to understand yourself.

It was a head-up-the-ass question, comical in how much of a non-sequitor it was, and likely was brewed up by the anchor's husband, a PR flack working for the McCain campaign.

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See the long, long list of examples where Obama's camp has strongarmed media into doing his bidding, and punishing them when they have acted unfavorably.

Yeah, and this is the 'liberal media' being strong-armed?

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As far as "Joe the plumber",

He's become a show pony for the McCain campaign, willingly and enthusiastically appearing with them onstage. As such, if when he actually gets asked policy questions and is made to look like a damn fool, that's just too damned bad.

Steve · #45 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008

The bottom line, at the end of the day, is that an Obama Presidency will fuck this country six ways to Sunday, and libs are too fucking stupid to realize it...

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