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mudwhistle · #1 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

I know this isn't new but this is an example of intimidation using government resources to find dirt on Samuel Wurzelbacher. This is an abuse of power and there is no doubt that the Obama campaign is responsible for it.

The Obama campaign wants to talk about Sarah Palin abusing her power but this goes way beyond the garbage they have drummed up in Alaska. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business. That means someone had to have had clearance to use it. Someone helping out the Obama campaign.

It is getting very clear that Obama feels he is above the law. More and more instances like this are popping up in the news. I wonder how many others aren't even making it this far that we don't know about.

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Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber

"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

The Columbus Dispatch : Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber

So we've got ACORN supporting Obama and falsifying voter registrations, which means they have removed their ability to receive government funds because the need to, by law, be non-biased. So they are breaking several laws in Obama's behalf.

Obama is using mass phone caller intimidation to silence anyone who criticises Obama. Eyeblast.tv - Obama Camp Fails To Silence Stanley Kurtz

We've got Joe Biden accusing reporters of having someone write their questions for them even though the questions are valid and then the Obama campaign blacklisting that station for asking questions they don't like. YouTube - Biden Angered By Tough Questions
Orlando Sentinel - Obama campaign cuts off WFTV after interview with Joe Biden by Hal Boedeker

Is there anything Obama won't do to win? Is there any way he can be stopped from doing whatever he wants once he's President?

I feel this is all a lost cause because too many voters don't believe this is happening and it is all so obscure and there is always some defense to all of these acts that all it becomes is a cloud of denials and counter accusations.

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Obama's campaign shrugged when legal doubts were raised about the sloppy voter registration practices of ACORN — an organization that Obama himself has both helped and praised.

Yet Obama was once a stickler for proper voter documents. In 1996, he had all of his Democratic rivals removed from the ballot in an Illinois state primary election on the basis of sloppy voter petitions. IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Voters Still Not Putting Full Faith Behind Mystery Candidate Obama

Anyone in Missouri will be attacked by an Obama Truth Squad if they "lie" about Obama publically. Eyeblast.tv - Obama Camp Wants Critics Arrested

What a way to become President.

Tanngrisnir3 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I know this isn't new but this is an example of intimidation using government resources to find dirt on Samuel Wurzelbacher. This is an abuse of power and there is no doubt that the Obama campaign is responsible for it.

The Obama campaign wants to talk about Sarah Palin abusing her power but this goes way beyond the garbage they have drummed up in Alaska. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business. That means someone had to have had clearance to use it. Someone helping out the Obama campaign.

It is getting very clear that Obama feels he is above the law. More and more instances like this are popping up in the news. I wonder how many others aren't even making it this far that we don't know about.

So we've got ACORN supporting Obama and falsifying voter registrations, which means they have removed their ability to receive government funds because the need to, by law, be non-biased. So they are breaking several laws in Obama's behalf.

Obama is using mass phone caller intimidation to silence anyone who criticises Obama. Eyeblast.tv - Obama Camp Fails To Silence Stanley Kurtz

We've got Joe Biden accusing reporters of having someone write their questions for them even though the questions are valid and then the Obama campaign blacklisting that station for asking questions they don't like. YouTube - Biden Angered By Tough Questions
Orlando Sentinel - Obama campaign cuts off WFTV after interview with Joe Biden by Hal Boedeker

Is there anything Obama won't do to win? Is there any way he can be stopped from doing whatever he wants once he's President?

I feel this is all a lost cause because too many voters don't believe this is happening and it is all so obscure and there is always some defense to all of these acts that all it becomes is a cloud of denials and counter accusations.

What a way to become President.

Ah, the Chicken-Little desperation of the lunatic right.

This does not go way beyond Troopergate. Not even close. And your implication that this is some top-down, direct-from-Obama machination is, typically, irrational.

(Breathlessly) How many more have occurred out there that we don't know about? I'm sure in your mind it's likely millions.

Si modo · #3 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I know this isn't new but this is an example of intimidation using government resources to find dirt on Samuel Wurzelbacher. This is an abuse of power and there is no doubt that the Obama campaign is responsible for it.

The Obama campaign wants to talk about Sarah Palin abusing her power but this goes way beyond the garbage they have drummed up in Alaska. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business. That means someone had to have had clearance to use it. Someone helping out the Obama campaign.

It is getting very clear that Obama feels he is above the law. More and more instances like this are popping up in the news. I wonder how many others aren't even making it this far that we don't know about.

So we've got ACORN supporting Obama and falsifying voter registrations, which means they have removed their ability to receive government funds because the need to, by law, be non-biased. So they are breaking several laws in Obama's behalf.

Obama is using mass phone caller intimidation to silence anyone who criticises Obama. Eyeblast.tv - Obama Camp Fails To Silence Stanley Kurtz

We've got Joe Biden accusing reporters of having someone write their questions for them even though the questions are valid and then the Obama campaign blacklisting that station for asking questions they don't like. YouTube - Biden Angered By Tough Questions
Orlando Sentinel - Obama campaign cuts off WFTV after interview with Joe Biden by Hal Boedeker

Is there anything Obama won't do to win? Is there any way he can be stopped from doing whatever he wants once he's President?

I feel this is all a lost cause because too many voters don't believe this is happening and it is all so obscure and there is always some defense to all of these acts that all it becomes is a cloud of denials and counter accusations.

Anyone in Missouri will be attacked by an Obama Truth Squad if they "lie" about Obama publically. Eyeblast.tv - Obama Camp Wants Critics Arrested

What a way to become President.

I have no idea about state's laws, but using federal information systems to find out information on a citizen without their consent or without reason to suspect illegal activities, is very much against the law. For starters, the Privacy Act is quite clear on that.

mudwhistle · #4 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

I have no idea about state's laws, but using federal information systems to find out information on a citizen without their consent or without reason to suspect illegal activities, is very much against the law. For starters, the Privacy Act is quite clear on that.

As usual nobody knows who did it.

mudwhistle · #5 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

Obama has shown himself to be a bit of a tyrant, and it can only get worse once he's in office.

I can't wait to start grinding it in when all of this blows up in his supporters face in the coming months and years.

TheHighForester · #6 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

Yep, that's it! He's a tyrant, and it can only get worse once he's in office.

I understand that many folks in your neighborhood have taken survivalist training. Have you thought about doing the same?

chrisl · #7 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

So this is Obama as tyrant, because unnamed people (likely related to the press, or one or both of the two campaigns) pulled some records illegally in a state which he is not governing nor currently representing.

Were the leaks of say Britney Spear's medical records back in April also the sign of budding autocracy? There were those ads after all, maybe they were vetting her too.

And the Palin investigation pre-dated her nomination. Clearly he is omniscient as well and set the gears in motion early.

mudwhistle · #8 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by chrisl

So this is Obama as tyrant, because unnamed people (likely related to the press, or one or both of the two campaigns) pulled some records illegally in a state which he is not governing nor currently representing.

Were the leaks of say Britney Spear's medical records back in April also the sign of budding autocracy? There were those ads after all, maybe they were vetting her too.

And the Palin investigation pre-dated her nomination. Clearly he is omniscient as well and set the gears in motion early.

Yeah, he's pretty active.

The Palin investigation was going nowhere until Obama sent his lawyers up to Alaska to bribe everybody. They found no evidence of abuse but instead decided to voice their opinions rather then site the laws that applied.

He had Stanley Kurtz arrested while he was investigating Obama in Kenya.

Ohio is stealing the election with the help of his Democrat friends. They have a Democrat Secretary of State, a Democrat Attorney General.

The fix is in.

Tanngrisnir3 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Yeah, he's pretty active.

The Palin investigation was going nowhere until Obama sent his lawyers up to Alaska to bribe everybody. They found no evidence of abuse but instead decided to voice their opinions rather then site the laws that applied.

Like I said: desperation.

A. It most assuredly was going places and
B. Cite your sources for his bribery. I know, you love making stuff up, pulling things out of thin air, but for once how about not looking the nut and supporting what you say?

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He had Stanley Kurtz arrested while he was investigating Obama in Kenya.

Did he issue the orders while sitting on a throne?

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Ohio is stealing the election with the help of his Democrat friends. They have a Democrat Secretary of State, a Democrat Attorney General.

The fix is in.

Again, no evidence, just braying, histrionic and flailing accusations.

CorpMediaSux · #10 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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He had Stanley Kurtz arrested while he was investigating Obama in Kenya.

You can't even get your smears straight. That was Jerome Corsi and why the Kenyan government did what it did is kind of a Kenyan thing, not an Obama thing.

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Ohio is stealing the election with the help of his Democrat friends. They have a Democrat Secretary of State, a Democrat Attorney General.

Wha? For one thing, Ohio is going to be close. But another is that Obama doesn't need Ohio to win (something his campaign said and caught heat for early in the summer if you remember). Last, partisan secretaries of state always work within the boundaries of the law to help their candidate win. Katherine Harris did what she could in Florida. Ken Blackwell did the same for Bush in 2004 and it's hard to argue that they didn't contribute to his victories in those states. Is your problem with corruption, or just that Democrats happen to be in positions of power in the state this time? No doubt you were on the side of Ken Blackwell and Katherine Harris in 2004 and 2000 respectively and thus your faux outrage is, as usual, suspect.

Also the whole ACORN thing is so ridiculously out of proportion. State law requires that ACORN turn in every registration form they receive from their workers. ACORN actually FLAGS registration forms that seem fraudulent, assisting secretaries of state and election boards who process them. And finally, it has been proven that the anti-ACORN "scandal" is a GOP political tool. In fact Alberto Gonzalez had to resign because he was pressuring state AG to go after ACORN without really any evidence

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The fix is in.

Accept it. American citizens are rejecting the GOP.

R Mitch · #11 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

McCain already lost Ohio, because of a little company called DHL.

ACORN is a state issue, not a Democrat issue.

zip98053 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

You say:

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

As usual nobody knows who did it.

but in your original post you say:

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This is an abuse of power and there is no doubt that the Obama campaign is responsible for it.

Are you just trying to make it clear that your original claims are completely unsubstantiated and should be ignored?

Imperator · #13 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

I find the use of government information networks to be an egregious offense when performed by anyone for anyone.....linda trips records were somehow outted, fbi files in the WH basement, Obamas rep. opponent for the senate, who’s divorce records were outted, Michael Steeles credit card records ( private co. but just as egregious) etc. I am sure there are examples of republicans using the same......as I said, as long as issues like this go unpunished and not taken seriously the more they will occur.

apropos information-
Meanwhile bidens brain scan medial files are not released yet, good luck finding that in the msm...information withheld or used is power. Note McCain will not allow Wright to be used as a campaign prop.......interesting.

mudwhistle · #14 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

You can't even get your smears straight. That was Jerome Corsi and why the Kenyan government did what it did is kind of a Kenyan thing, not an Obama thing.

Wha? For one thing, Ohio is going to be close. But another is that Obama doesn't need Ohio to win (something his campaign said and caught heat for early in the summer if you remember). Last, partisan secretaries of state always work within the boundaries of the law to help their candidate win. Katherine Harris did what she could in Florida. Ken Blackwell did the same for Bush in 2004 and it's hard to argue that they didn't contribute to his victories in those states. Is your problem with corruption, or just that Democrats happen to be in positions of power in the state this time? No doubt you were on the side of Ken Blackwell and Katherine Harris in 2004 and 2000 respectively and thus your faux outrage is, as usual, suspect.

Also the whole ACORN thing is so ridiculously out of proportion. State law requires that ACORN turn in every registration form they receive from their workers. ACORN actually FLAGS registration forms that seem fraudulent, assisting secretaries of state and election boards who process them. And finally, it has been proven that the anti-ACORN "scandal" is a GOP political tool. In fact Alberto Gonzalez had to resign because he was pressuring state AG to go after ACORN without really any evidence

Accept it. American citizens are rejecting the GOP.

I knew it was one of them. I always get those two mixed up. There's so many of them writing books about Obama.

This guy is the guy I was talking about pictured above.
Kenya holds Corsi 'incommunicado'

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Obama has a long history of connections in Kenya, where his father worked as a government economist. Corsi documented this history in his book and went to Kenya to find answers to lingering questions – particularly about the links between the presidential candidate and Kenya Prime Minister Raila Odinga.

Corsi had promised a news conference today that would "expose details of deep secret ties between U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a section of Kenya government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency."

So Kenya arrests Corsi because he's investigating Obama. Just a little innocent deportation. Nothing funny going on here.

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Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

Accept it. American citizens are rejecting the GOP.

The American people for the most part are a bunch of Lemmings reacting to a media they don't know is leading them by the nose. They aren't rejecting them, they are just confused by all of the lies being thrown at them from all directions.

zip98053 · #15 (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I knew it was one of them. I always get those two mixed up. There's so many of them writing books about Obama.

This guy is the guy I was talking about pictured above.
Kenya holds Corsi 'incommunicado'

So Kenya arrests Corsi because he's investigating Obama. Just a little innocent deportation. Nothing funny going on here.

So, Corsi was booted from Kenya on Oct 7 and has had ample opportunity to come forth with his allegations. Where are they? Perhaps these latest claims are even less believable than the ones that he made in The Obama Nation?

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