Ah well. It may be that the drafting of women should be robustly opposed simply because it might deprive the hawks of the means to start more aggressive wars. Therefore all arguments against a draft for women are valid .
It follows that all arguments against any draft should be approved along the same lines.

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'Equality' can be achieved without recourse to the sexes aping each others activities.

Our military, as it stands, is capable of fighting another war. It is American society, however, that would be unable to mentally handle another one.

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TH;
Cole says you don't have enough guys.

So because a woman would rather be a mother than a soldier, she shouldn't expect to be treated as an equal? There's a reason God gave women a uterus and breasts and that's because she is the nurturer, the life giver. Men have always been the hunters and protectors since the beginning of time. Yet, you're saying we must break from these roles in order to be equal to men? In order to obtain this equality, we must become warriors? What happens to the woman incapable of serving? Would she still be considered unequal? Is a man that isn't fit to serve any less a man?
I turned down the recruiters when they kept calling because my children were newborn and 2 years old at the time. Why? Because my primary responsibility was to the children I brought into this world. It all goes with the "God, family and country" mentality I was raised with. If I didn't want to be a mother first and foremost, I would have never had children.

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I'm not saying that women should be in combat positions if they are incapable of performing in said positions. I'm saying that if men can be pulled away from their homes and forced into service, women should be put in the same position. If women want to use the excuse of "I love my babies and I would be sad," then perhaps there is something to the chauvanistic view of the irrational, hormonal woman, and maybe there should be other limits on women - removing the right to vote and the right to hold property come to mind.

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Wait, I want to make sure that I understand you. Is it that women want to be mothers that should preclude their being eligible for the draft (but the fact that I want to be a father shouldn't)? Or is it the possession of boobs?

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Cole doesn't know what he is talking about. As it stands we can fight on another front if required to do so, without a draft. Still, I don't think the American public is ready for what that would mean.

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Yes, Cole does know what he's talking about and he sees McCain calling a draft to further his warped ambitions.

No, he doesn't. He has demonstrated time and time again his complete ignorance when it comes to military matters.

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He's just looking at the numbers and they don't stack up to McCain's plans for them. He's quite right to warn of a draft.

You can't trust Cole analysis of the 'numbers' because he has no clue how the military works to begin with, or how they deal with those same numbers. No, Cole is totally off the mark here.

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I am against a draft. Period.

However, if there must be a draft, and that should be examined very closely before drafting begins, I am trying hard to think how it would be fair to the men, to exclude women from this draft.

And, it would do a great disservice to all the progress made for women and equality in what was once a world dominated by men.

I understand Mrs. M likes her traditional role. But there are plenty of women who see the cost associated with using this traditional role as a justification for being excluded from the draft. I would fight very hard against exclusion of women for this reason, should a draft ever become necessary.

Well, today's equivalent to the hunter/protector is the bread winner, the person or persons who work to support the family. So in effect, yes, woman's lib does demand that at least some women step up and take on what are traditionally male roles.

I was drafted,many of my friends were drafted. A draft takes everyone. Then sorts them out. That would mean that all the snoty dogooders,treehuggers activists, democrat whimps and richboys would have to serve their country. There would be a lot of crying, whinning and carring on, but it would work in their best interests. The problem with the youth today is they have no self respect. No respect for others and no disapline. Everything that makes a good kid was taken from them by the courts. Parents can't disapline their kids anymore and there is no draft. One reason why we don't have a decent choice who will run this country. No one wants war,no one wants their kids to go fight a war. BUT it is a nessasary thing to have a strong military. Like it or not. Our country is falling apart. We have people in our highest offices that want America to fail. Just look at them, Democrats. Today we face America loosing her democracy. America fought against communizum and today we are just going to hand the country over to communizum. If I knew then what I know now. Then being1962-1963-1967 and part of 68, 3 tours and 6 mos.in Nam I would have stayed home and went fishing in Canada. The draft will make men out of these kids. They will wear their hats like hats and they will pull up their pants. Vote McCain

Let me ask you this, how were you raised? I was raised traditionally and raised my children the same way. By traditionally, I mean that it was instilled into my son that no matter what, when he married, it was his responsibility to provide for his family. Sure, it may end up taking two incomes, but that he should always do his best to provide without his wife having to work. My daughter, on the other hand, was taught that she should make her children her top priority, even if she had to work because that's what I did. I worked in between marriages out of necessity but once I married my late husband, he gave me the option of working or not. We didn't need two incomes but once the children were in school, I decided to go to work and only took jobs with flexible hours such as home health nursing so I could be home when they got off the bus. In other words, being a wife and mother was my first job and nursing was my second. Right after my first granddaughter was born, my daughter had complications and had to be hospitalized. I was at work at a restaurant when they called me and the manager didn't want to let me leave. I told her that I was going to be with my daughter and she could shove the job up her ass. Why? Because I'm a mother and my children and my husband were the most important things in my life. I would have no problem serving my country in the military if I had not chosen to be a mother but I did choose motherhood and my obligations are to my family first.

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