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GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud

Seems to turn out the same most election cycles: Chicken-Little, sky-is-falling hysteria from the right, and then nothing to show for it. "Destroying the fabric of democracy", my ass.

GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud - Chisun Lee - ProPublica - Politico.com

By CHISUN LEE - PROPUBLICA | 11/2/08 7:16 AM EST

Chisun Lee is a reporter for ProPublica, America's largest independent, nonprofit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest.

For weeks, Republican leaders have warned that widely reported problems with fake voter registrations could result in a flood of phony votes in pivotal states.

But Ronald Michaelson, a veteran election administrator and member of the McCain-Palin Honest and Open Election Committee, said in an interview that he could not name a single instance in which this had occurred.

“Do we have a documented instance of voting fraud that resulted from a phony registration form? No, I can’t cite one, chapter and verse,” he said.

The claims and counterclaims about fraudulent voting have emerged as a prominent issue in the 2008 campaign. Sen. John McCain declared in the final presidential debate that ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, the low-income advocacy group whose temporary staffers submitted thousands of faked applications — “is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.”

Republican elected officials and lawyers for state Republican parties have made similar claims in court and in statements to the press. So far, however, they have failed to provide significant supporting evidence.

A review of prosecutors’ statements and documents filed by Republicans in the most serious new cases alleging voter fraud shows that none offer an example in which a fraudulently registered person managed to cast a valid vote. While several cases argue that such frauds are possible, none sketched a scenario for how massive numbers of people could fake registrations and then vote.

Asked for specifics about the dangers of fake registration, Ben Porritt, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, provided links to 13 news clips and a 2003 Missouri state auditor’s report. Eleven of the cases did not involve registration fraud. Two recounted how felons appeared to have cast illegal votes under their own names. The lone example of a forged registration leading to an illegitimate vote comes from The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund, who in April 2006 wrote that a community organizer had improperly registered a noncitizen, and “someone eventually voted in [the noncitizen’s] name.”

Michaelson, who served for 27 years as executive director of the Illinois Board of Elections, said the sharp exchanges over registration fraud have undermined voters’ confidence in the electoral system.

“The fact that so many of these illegal registrations are being made public raises a perception in the minds of people,’’ he said. “That’s more of a general concern. You don’t want to perpetuate the idea that our election process is lacking integrity.”

Asked whether his own party was responsible for fostering that perception, Michaelson said, “Well, it doesn’t help. It has captured the attention of a lot of people.” Why do it, then? “Maybe it’s because there’s nothing else to talk about,” he said.

Michaelson could not cite a single real example of how registration fraud has led to voting fraud. He said that an election-rigging scheme starting with phony application forms would not make much sense. Michaelson joined the McCain team when asked by its general counsel, Trevor Potter, whom he knew from their days working together at the Federal Election Commission.

Michaelson explained why the mere perception of widespread fraud can do public harm: “When reports are circulating in the media that this one group has turned in 5,000 applications and 2,000 of them are invalid, for the minimally informed voter, they say, ‘Oh my gosh, what’s happening to our process? Our process is lacking integrity.’ It just plants seeds of doubt in the minds of people who don’t understand the process very well.

“That’s just not a very healthy atmosphere,” he said.

This week, the Ohio GOP launched an ad claiming “hundreds of thousands of new voter registrations are questionable” and asking, “Could Ohio’s election be stolen?”

The implied link between registration and voting fraud has ranged beyond sound bites. It has driven Republicans’ invocation of legal power to scrutinize voters, demands for U.S. Justice Department intervention and court orders, and criminal investigations.

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Re: GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud

Maybe we'll just wait and see what the FBI turns up. They're better trained at this sort of thing.
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Scant proof? Are you kidding me?
Like the dozens of "Micky Mouse"'s that have registered to vote?
What about the story that broke earlier today?
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Man admits to voting multiple times live on CNN! CNN says "That's OK!"
YouTube - CNN-Philly Man says he is voted a couple of times
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Some Georgians Suspected Of Voting Twice
A team of investigative journalists from WSB-TV in Atlanta, WFTV in Orlando and WFTS in Tampa and WCPO in Cincinnati compared Georgia's voter rolls with those in Florida and Ohio and found more than 100,000 people who appear to be registered to vote in more than one state, with no government oversight to catch it
Some Georgians Suspected Of Voting Twice - Vote 2008 News Story - WSB Atlanta
And that's just a small snapshot of the garbage going on around the country.

And have you heard about the Black Panthers in Philadelphia today? Racist blacks scaring people at the polls? What is this? The 1960's? Obviously some sects of America are still living in the dark ages!
The latest report of Voter Fraud is two Black Panther's Intimidating Voters with a nightstick. See the video reports and a post below:
YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly
YouTube - Voting Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia

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Just after 11 a.m. CDT, Fox News Channel’s Rick Leventhal reported from the scene of a Philadelphia polling location that police were called to deal with a group of Black Panthers alleged to be carrying nightsticks and intimidating voters.

Leventhal interviewed a Republican poll observer who offered details of how he approached the entrance to the polling location — what appeared to be a multi-family apartment building — only to see the men “close ranks” in an attempt to stop him from entering. Describing himself as an Army veteran, he said he was not afraid of the nightstick-wielding men and proceeded to walk between them and into the polling place to talk with officials inside.


YID With LID: Voter Fraud Watch-Video Of Black Panther's Intimidating Voters
What the hell is going on ? It's like we have jumped fifty years back in time ! We've come so far since the 1960's and the Black Panthers, riots in the streets, intimidation of voters and rampant racism... and now here it is all over again?!
Is this this CHANGE we were promised?!
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Re: GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud

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Is this this CHANGE we were promised?!


pretty much
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Re: GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud

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Scant proof? Are you kidding me?
Like the dozens of "Micky Mouse"'s that have registered to vote?
What about the story that broke earlier today?


And that's just a small snapshot of the garbage going on around the country.

And have you heard about the Black Panthers in Philadelphia today? Racist blacks scaring people at the polls? What is this? The 1960's? Obviously some sects of America are still living in the dark ages!
The latest report of Voter Fraud is two Black Panther's Intimidating Voters with a nightstick. See the video reports and a post below:
YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly
YouTube - Voting Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia


What the hell is going on ? It's like we have jumped fifty years back in time ! We've come so far since the 1960's and the Black Panthers, riots in the streets, intimidation of voters and rampant racism... and now here it is all over again?!
Is this this CHANGE we were promised?!
The funniest thing is if you suggest that the thugs in those videos are "niggers" , some liberal weenie will come along and tell you you are a racist.
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Re: GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud

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Scant proof? Are you kidding me?
Like the dozens of "Micky Mouse"'s that have registered to vote?
What about the story that broke earlier today?
I see you failed to actually read what I posted. That would have cleared up your question toot sweet.
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And that's just a small snapshot of the garbage going on around the country.

And have you heard about the Black Panthers in Philadelphia today? Racist blacks scaring people at the polls? What is this? The 1960's? Obviously some sects of America are still living in the dark ages!
The latest report of Voter Fraud is two Black Panther's Intimidating Voters with a nightstick. See the video reports and a post below:
YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly
YouTube - Voting Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia
Yawn. Yeah, I saw the clip. Someone called the cops. They came, they removed the moron with the nightstick. Problem solved.
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What the hell is going on ? It's like we have jumped fifty years back in time ! We've come so far since the 1960's and the Black Panthers, riots in the streets, intimidation of voters and rampant racism... and now here it is all over again?!
Is this this CHANGE we were promised?!
THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Chassisman, regarding your post above,
I would never suggest they are the "n" word.
I would only say that what the people in the videos are doing are wrong, intimidating voters at the polls.
No matter what color they are.


Stuff like what you just said is what throws off a valid argument.
We need to judge people for their behavior, not their skin color.

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THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
For being of the party that bitches and moans that the last 2 elections were "stolen", I find it humorous that now you turn the other way when real manipulation is taking place.

Order is breaking down all around you, and Democrats care more about victory than fairness, liberty and freedom itself.





The reality is that our nation can break down into 3rd world chaos and rioting in the event of an Obama loss. Voting is being manipulated and twisted. Our electoral process is in disorder and disarray, and as long as the media's sweetheart wins, any and all wrongdoing can be overlooked.

Be careful, manipulation can be turned against you if it's let go - it may backfire in the next election.
It's sad that in the United States of America in 2008 Americans are showing 1960's behavior.
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For being of the party that bitches and moans that the last 2 elections were "stolen", I find it humorous that now you turn the other way when real manipulation is taking place.
You clearly have either cognitive or reading difficulties. I am not a member of any political party.
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Order is breaking down all around you, and Democrats care more about victory than fairness, liberty and freedom itself.
Order is not breaking down all around me, and clearly, the recent historical record does not support your claim, but rather the opposite. The word 'fairness' is not in the Republican vocabulary. Well, not until they lose an election, in any case.
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Chassisman, regarding your post above,
I would never suggest they are the "n" word.
I would only say that what the people in the videos are doing are wrong, intimidating voters at the polls.
No matter what color they are.


Stuff like what you just said is what throws off a valid argument.
We need to judge people for their behavior, not their skin color.



For being of the party that bitches and moans that the last 2 elections were "stolen", I find it humorous that now you turn the other way when real manipulation is taking place.

Order is breaking down all around you, and Democrats care more about victory than fairness, liberty and freedom itself.





The reality is that our nation can break down into 3rd world chaos and rioting in the event of an Obama loss. Voting is being manipulated and twisted. Our electoral process is in disorder and disarray, and as long as the media's sweetheart wins, any and all wrongdoing can be overlooked.

Be careful, manipulation can be turned against you if it's let go - it may backfire in the next election.
It's sad that in the United States of America in 2008 Americans are showing 1960's behavior.
The nigger membership of the BPP is a perfect example of what keeps racism alive in America, as do the white trash Aryan Brotherhood and Neo Nazi dress up bunch. I wonder what the reaction wwould have been if the AB showed up at the polling places with their lace ups and nightsticks?

The BPP totally shit on an important part of black history............totally shit on it. People in Philly (and America) will remember their participation in this election well.

The thing that seperates America are the cultural differences that run hand in hand with skin color.
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The nigger membership of the BPP is a perfect example of what keeps racism alive in America, as do the white trash Aryan Brotherhood and Neo Nazi dress up bunch. [i]I wonder what the reaction wwould have been if the AB showed up at the polling places with their lace ups and nightsticks? [/b]

The thing that seperates America are the cultural differences that run hand in hand with skin color.
Seeing as they're a prison gang, that might be quite the trick.
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scant proof? Are you kidding me?
Like the dozens of "micky mouse"'s that have registered to vote?
What about the story that broke earlier today?


And that's just a small snapshot of the garbage going on around the country.

and have you heard about the black panthers in philadelphia today? Racist blacks scaring people at the polls? What is this? The 1960's? Obviously some sects of america are still living in the dark ages!
The latest report of voter fraud is two black panther's intimidating voters with a nightstick. See the video reports and a post below:
youtube - "security" patrols stationed at polling places in philly
youtube - voting intimidation by black panthers in philadelphia


what the hell is going on ? It's like we have jumped fifty years back in time ! We've come so far since the 1960's and the black panthers, riots in the streets, intimidation of voters and rampant racism... And now here it is all over again?!
is this this change we were promised?!
Racist!!!
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Seeing as they're a prison gang, that might be quite the trick.
So you think the AB is prison only? What do they do when the get out? Knit?
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So you think the AB is prison only? What do they do when the get out? Knit?
No, but the vast majority of them are in the joint.

They strike me more as crocheters, not knitters, per se.
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More Voter Fraud and Intimidation from the Left:
Lawsuits Filed

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GOP presidential candidate John McCain's campaign said Tuesday that it is hearing of several instances of voter intimidation and fraud on Election Day, and sued twice to rectify what it sees as illegal conduct.

On a conference call with reporters, McCain advisers said they have successfully sued in Philadelphia to have their poll watchers recertified, and they expect similar results from an effort to do the same in New Hampshire.

Sen. McCain’s (Ariz.) campaign alleged that Democratic supporters of McCain's rival, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), have been calling Republican voters in Lancaster, Pa., and telling them that their polling places have been moved.

TheHill.com - McCain camp sees fraud, intimidation
The beginning of the Obama legacy is taking hold. This is the CHANGE we were told so much about.
Supressing freedom, taking power by force, intimidating the people.

It takes a village. If you choose not to be part of the village, you will be forced to join the villagers or be cast aside.
Spreading the wealth, following the tide, ceasing your individualism.

Welcome to the Obama Nation.
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Re: GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud

From what I can tell nothing that has been called voter fraud by the G.O.P. is anything but registration fraud which is a very different thing and has more to do with people looking to cash in on being paid for turning in registration forms than actual voter fraud at the polls.
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