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Meritocrat · #31 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

A moron is someone with low intelligence.

Mrs. M · #32 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Meritocrat

A moron is someone with low intelligence.

As I've said before, a college degree doesn't necessarily equate to intelligence.

Meritocrat · #33 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

I understand what you're saying in regard to that, and I agree.

However, clearly Rushton, Jensen, Murray, MacDonald, and Shockley are all highly undeserving of the label "moron" (you have the last one to thank for the computer that you're using right now).

Wallaroo · #34 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

Whats the status about positive discrimination of minorities?

Meritocrat · #35 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

Specify.

Wallaroo · #36 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

On universities etc...

Meritocrat · #37 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

Racial minorities are often discriminated for, not against, in universities.

daddio · #38 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Meritocrat

Racial minorities are often discriminated for, not against, in universities.

They are prized enrollees in ivy league and other upper end schools.

Mrs. M · #39 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

On universities etc...

Unfortunately, there are scholarships offered to black only but here's what happens when someone tries to offer a "whites only" scholarship:

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Whites Only Scholarship Creates Outrage
College Republicans Say Scholarship Was Created to Spark Debate
By ANNE-MARIE DORNING
BOSTON, Nov. 22, 2006

Joe Mroszczyk, president of the College Republicans at Boston University, admits he set out to stir up a hornet's nest when he came up with the idea of offering a whites-only scholarship at the school. But he got a little more buzz than he bargained for.

"To tell you the truth, we didn't see this coming," Mroszczyk said. "The Drudge Report picked it up yesterday, and today I just finished a round of national interviews. It's kind of overwhelming."

All the media attention is focused on a $250 Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship offered by Mroszczyk and the BU chapter of the College Republicans. Applicants must have a cumulative grade point average of 3.2 or higher; they must write two essays; and, here's the kicker, they must be at least one-quarter Caucasian.

The application itself offers an explanation: "We believe that racial preferences in all their forms are perhaps the worst form of bigotry confronting America today."

According to Mroszczyk, his group is offering the scholarship to point out "how ridiculous it is to have any sort of racially based scholarship."

At BU, for example, students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic can apply for a National Hispanic Recognition Scholarship.

"There are plenty of poor, white, academically gifted students who need that money just as much," Mroszczyk said.

It isn't the first time a group of students has tried this kind of stunt.

Two years ago a chapter of the College Republicans at Roger Williams University also offered a $250 whites-only scholarship. That's where the BU students got the idea.

"We are not doing this as some kind of white supremacy thing. I wanted to have a dialogue about racial preference," Mroszczyk said.

It seems as if Mroszczyk has gotten his wish. People from across the country are now weighing in on the idea through e-mail and the radio. And closer to home, some BU students are having their say too.

"It's a poor way to talk about affirmative action," said David Coreas, the 21-year-old senior who is president of the Latino fraternity Phi Iota Alpha at BU. "If they want to have a scholarship, then let them have a scholarship, but they're stirring up controversy in the wrong way."

ABC News: Whites Only Scholarship Creates Outrage

For contrast:
BlackNews.com - Black Scholarships | African American Scholarships

mnburch · #40 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by CDavidNeely

To Whom It May Concern,

I seriously hope that America really is past race as a deciding factor. I live in Tennessee which overwhelmingly supported McCain. The major reason that I heard had everthing to do with his skin color and nothing to do with his positions. if I heard the "N" word once in reference to Obama I must have heard it a thousand times.
If Obama survives his entire presidency without an assassination or a major assassination attempt then I will think that perhaps we have moved truly past racism. I really hope that we have.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

Strangely enough, I have lived in Tennessee for the last 25 years and did not hear the "N" word used a single time in reference to Obama. As a matter-of-fact, I never hear the word used at all in any context anymore. However, a close family friend who has his own painting business (in other words a responsible, productive member of our society) was robbed, shot, and left to bleed to death (which fortunately did not happen) while painting some apartments in some projects in south Nashville. Post-racial America...ask my friend what he thinks.

Wallaroo · #41 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Unfortunately, there are scholarships offered to black only but here's what happens when someone tries to offer a "whites only" scholarship:

ABC News: Whites Only Scholarship Creates Outrage

For contrast:
BlackNews.com - Black Scholarships | African American Scholarships

Big time racial hypocricy on the negroes part! There should be a law forbidding scholarships on account of race...

Meritocrat · #42 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

Why is anti-non-White discrimination/violence tragic and anti-White discrimination/violence funny to you?

Mrs. M · #43 (**permalink**) 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Wallaroo

Big time racial hypocricy on the negroes part! There should be a law forbidding scholarships on account of race...

I agree 100%!

agoodfella · #44 (**permalink**) 11-06-2008

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Originally Posted by mnburch

Strangely enough, I have lived in Tennessee for the last 25 years and did not hear the "N" word used a single time in reference to Obama. As a matter-of-fact, I never hear the word used at all in any context anymore. However, a close family friend who has his own painting business (in other words a responsible, productive member of our society) was robbed, shot, and left to bleed to death (which fortunately did not happen) while painting some apartments in some projects in south Nashville. Post-racial America...ask my friend what he thinks.

That is a horrible incident and your friend certainly did not deserve nor did he ask to be shot and robbed.

It begs a larger question though doesn't it? Why is there so much violence and crime and drugs in "the projects"? Do you truly believe that blacks are inherently more violent and prone to commit criminal acts and do drugs than another race? Or is this a symptom of their environment? Is it their nature or is it nurture (or lack thereof)? If your typical black male with a criminal record could be given a choice to continue his life a criminal or he had the choice to be given an opportunity to do something productive, to get an education, to get a decent job with benefits, to become an upstanding citizen, to provide for himself and his family, to have dignity and respect -- do you truly believe that person chooses to be a criminal anyway?

mnburch · #45 (**permalink**) 11-07-2008

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Originally Posted by agoodfella

That is a horrible incident and your friend certainly did not deserve nor did he ask to be shot and robbed.

It begs a larger question though doesn't it? Why is there so much violence and crime and drugs in "the projects"? Do you truly believe that blacks are inherently more violent and prone to commit criminal acts and do drugs than another race? Or is this a symptom of their environment? Is it their nature or is it nurture (or lack thereof)? If your typical black male with a criminal record could be given a choice to continue his life a criminal or he had the choice to be given an opportunity to do something productive, to get an education, to get a decent job with benefits, to become an upstanding citizen, to provide for himself and his family, to have dignity and respect -- do you truly believe that person chooses to be a criminal anyway?

I understand, but do not agree with, your viewpoint. I believe that the core issue - which has been all too rarely promoted by influential black personalities such as Bill Cosby and for which they have been severely castigated by mainstream black "leadership" - is that there is a need for people in the black community, especially men, to assume personal responsibility for their lives. To continue to maintain and feed the perception that blacks are no more than a product of their environment and are incapable of taking advantage of available opportunities, making the most of the education that is available to them, and becoming hard-working, productive, law-abiding citizens is the most insidious form of racism, in my opinion. By allowing blacks to avoid personal responsibility for what happens in their lives and wallow in self-pity with a firmly entrenched victim mentality - which by the way is fed liberally at every opportunity by black "leadership" - their failure to succeed in life becomes the realization of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, I believe that far too many people - not just blacks - do prefer taking the path of least resistance in life. That may be by robbing you and me legally of the fruits of our labors via "welfare", or at the point of a gun, such as happened to my friend.

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