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Old 03-20-2009
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Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

Lies: Fox News, Limbaugh and other right-wing attack dogs said Dodd inserted an amendment that undo bonus limit. Other right-wing hacks said Dodd created a "loophole."

Fox News:
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(The highlighted part is pure fiction)

While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill. The provision, now called “the Dodd Amendment” by the Obama Administration provides an “exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009” -- which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax.

Amid AIG Furor, Dodd Tries to Undo Bonus Protections in the 'Dodd Amendment' Rules - FOXBusiness.com

Truth: Dodd did not create said loophole. His original restriction is very straight forward and contains no loophole. Read the WSJ excerpt below.


From the WSJ on Feb 14, 2009.
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The most stringent pay restriction bars any company receiving funds from paying top earners bonuses equal to more than one-third of their total annual compensation. That could severely crimp pay packages at big banks, where top officials commonly get relatively modest salaries but often huge bonuses.

As word spread Friday about the new and retroactive limit -- inserted by Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut...

Bankers Face Strict New Pay Cap - WSJ.com
What we know so far: Dodd tried to put a cap on bonuses. The restriction was eventually removed with Dodd's knowledge. A less stringent restriction was inserted into the bill instead.

What we don't know: who wanted to remove the restriction and why Dodd agreed with the move.

Now, one can say that Dodd gave up too easily. But to say that he purposely put in a loophole is simply a lie.

I'm not defending Dodd, but there is simply not enough info at this point to know what really happened.

For more info:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200903170026
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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

Why are you even bothering to defend the scum that is Chris Dodd?

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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

I agree. I was miffed at Dodd the last couple days, but now it seems more clear that he was trying to balance restrictions with that of controlling business. That seems why they set that date of Feb.11 as a compromise.
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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

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I agree. I was miffed at Dodd the last couple days, but now it seems more clear that he was trying to balance restrictions with that of controlling business. That seems why they set that date of Feb.11 as a compromise.
Yes, it does seem like the Feb 11 is some sort of compromise. What we don't know is a compromise between whom? Is Dodd in on it or not? And if yes who did he compromised with?
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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

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Lies: Fox News, Limbaugh and other right-wing attack dogs said Dodd inserted an amendment that undo bonus limit. Other right-wing hacks said Dodd created a "loophole."

Fox News:



Truth: Dodd did not create said loophole. His original restriction is very straight forward and contains no loophole. Read the WSJ excerpt below.


From the WSJ on Feb 14, 2009.


What we know so far: Dodd tried to put a cap on bonuses. The restriction was eventually removed with Dodd's knowledge. A less stringent restriction was inserted into the bill instead.

What we don't know: who wanted to remove the restriction and why Dodd agreed with the move.

Now, one can say that Dodd gave up too easily. But to say that he purposely put in a loophole is simply a lie.

I'm not defending Dodd, but there is simply not enough info at this point to know what really happened.

For more info:
Media Matters - Fox, Drudge falsely assert Dodd put "bonus protections" into stimulus bill



uhm what????????? lets cut the crap shall we?

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — Senate Banking committee Chairman Christopher Dodd told CNN’s Dana Bash and Wolf Blitzer Wednesday that he was responsible for adding the bonus loophole into the stimulus package that permitted AIG and other companies that received bailout funds to pay bonuses.

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - BREAKING: I was responsible for bonus loophole, says Dodd - Blogs from CNN.com


Dodd vs. Treasury: Who Is Responsible for AIG Loophole?
Dodd Says He Tweaked Law to Allow Bonuses Because Administration Asked Him to Do So

More information emerged today about who is responsible for the apparent loophole in the February stimulus bill that paved the way for the AIG bonuses.

In an interview today with CNN's Ali Velshi, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said, "Treasury staff were working with Sen. [Christopher] Dodd's staff throughout this process."

Geithner's comment came in response to a remark by Dodd, D-Conn., saying that the Treasury Department had insisted on inserting language in the bill that created a loophole for AIG to exploit.

"Treasury staff did express concern about whether this provision was vulnerable to legal challenge," Geithner said.

Geithner said he did not personally talk to Dodd or Dodd's staff about the provision, which exempted employees who signed contracts before February from tough new executive compensation limits that Dodd and others included in the stimulus. Staffers at the Treasury Department were concerned that the provision would not stand up to legal challenges without the exemption for existing contracts.

"We expressed concern about this specific provision because we wanted to make sure it was strong enough to survive legal challenge," Geithner said in the interview with Velshi. "But we also worked with [Dodd] to make sure we strengthened the overall framework, and his bill has this very important provision we are relying on now to go back and see if we can recoup payments that were made that there was no legal ability to block."

ABC News: Dodd vs. Treasury: Who Is Responsible for AIG Loophole?

even maxine waters is jumping ship, telling the admin to speak up and tell us what they know, as they apparently asked dodd to do it....

annnnd from a march 3rd congressional hearing via c span you can watch yourself at the link....

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome to the committee, Mr. Geithner, and thank you for your responses so far. It never ceases to amaze me the level of apparent amnesia some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have had about how we got to this problem in the first place, and I thank you for answering Mr. Heller’s question in particular. By the line of questioning, you’re almost led to believe that because of a last month and a few days of a presidency we had the problem we have today, and thank you for setting the record straight. This didn’t happen overnight. This took eight years in the making of stagnant, at best, growth.

But yesterday, Mr. Secretary, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve announced a new fourth plan to rescue troubled financial services giant AIG. I do agree that AIG’s sustainability is the lynchpin for some of our recovery efforts, and it’s important for the federal government to work to keep it afloat. However, I must demand that AIG increase the accountability and transparency, something that was not done during the previous administration.

For example, just last month, AIG paid 343 employees of AIG FP — their Financial Products division that created the financial hole that AIG is in, and in turn a multibillion-dollar bill for American taxpayers — $56 million in bonuses and are slated to pay an additional $162 million in bonuses to 393 participants in the coming weeks. And there’s more. Further bonus payments totaling approximately 230 million (dollars) are due to 407 participants at AIG’s Financial Products division in March 2010. This makes no sense to my constituency.



In other words, everyone knew about these bonuses. Congress even knew enough about it to question Geithner on it, with remarkable accuracy on the total amount due to be paid out, on March 3rd — nine days before Geithner initially claimed to know about it.


This whole episode has been a farce perpetrated by Congress and the administration to stoke artificial outrage over contractual compensation obligations. It’s a freak show put on by Democrats. They’re giving us populist circuses in order to build a mob mentality — but for what purpose?

Hot Air Blog Archive Video: Congress, Geithner knew about bonuses on March 3rd
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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

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uhm what????????? lets cut the crap shall we?


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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

At first he claimed no knowledge of it,
Then he said he had just found out about it.
Then he said he knew about it, many days ago.
Then finally he said he was directed to put it in at a last minute meeting.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/...ess/index.html

White House Foists Bonus Blame on Dodd - Politics news | Newser

I heard an audio clip of Dodd himself admitting that he put it into the bill as directed by "The Administration"
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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

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Lies: Fox News, Limbaugh and other right-wing attack dogs said Dodd inserted an amendment that undo bonus limit. Other right-wing hacks said Dodd created a "loophole."

Fox News:



Truth: Dodd did not create said loophole. His original restriction is very straight forward and contains no loophole. Read the WSJ excerpt below.


From the WSJ on Feb 14, 2009.


What we know so far: Dodd tried to put a cap on bonuses. The restriction was eventually removed with Dodd's knowledge. A less stringent restriction was inserted into the bill instead.

What we don't know: who wanted to remove the restriction and why Dodd agreed with the move.

Now, one can say that Dodd gave up too easily. But to say that he purposely put in a loophole is simply a lie.

I'm not defending Dodd, but there is simply not enough info at this point to know what really happened.

For more info:
Media Matters - Fox, Drudge falsely assert Dodd put "bonus protections" into stimulus bill


First response--Criss Dodd originally DENIED knowing anything about the retention bonuses regarding AIG executives (that were in the 787 billion stimulus bill).

Second response--was that he took them all out & somehow they magically reappeared.

Third response--That he was pressured by Secretary Geithner to put them back in.

These 3 different responses over about a week's time.

I don't believe any credible person--after watching these videos' with the above comments coming directly from Criss Dodd who lied all along about the AIG bonuse's, can possibly defend him.

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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

This thread sickens me.
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Re: Right-wing lies and the truth: Chris dodd tried to limit aig bonus.

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This thread sickens me.

I am sick too--that someone with very little knowledge of exactly what happened is actually trying to defend Criss Dodd.

I am sickened that our congress lead by Barney Franks--was grilling the new CEO of AIG over these bonuse's--when he too--knew full well that they were included in the bill that they rushed through the senate--& NONE of these morons ever even read the 787 BILLION dollar bill that they imposed on the tax-payers of this country. I was sickened by the "dog & pony" show.

I am sickened that our politicians would rather drag in the new CEO of AIG that just volunteered to fix AIG without any pay--& made him look like the scapgoat--when they will NEVER investigate themselves for their mis-management of Fannie/Freddie which is GROUND ZERO for this economic collapse--
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