Actually, I am pro-choice. I'm just not pro-killing the unborn for convenience. A woman has the right to choose to have sex or not. If she chooses not to have sex (i.e. she was raped), then her rights certainly outweigh those of her unborn child. If she chose to have sex, then she took the chance of creating life in her body. At that point, the child's right to life outweighs her right to ... "convenience"? Of course, there is no right to convenience. The argument that the unborn child violates her right to privacy is fallacious. She willingly put herself into a situation where a possible outcome is pregnancy - the beginning of the life of another human.

I don't know who you are referring to as "we", but except in the cases when pro-abortion people such as yourself are advocating the killing of the unborn child, I have never heard an unborn baby referred to as a "fetus". In my world, and I would guess in the worlds of all but the most militant Planned Parenthood crowd, that which is in the womb is referred to as a baby.

So am I correct to believe that you are vehemently opposed to all abortions after the first trimester? After all, that "primitive colony organism" already has a heart beat at roughly three weeks after conception. So by ninety days, it surely is human enough that only the most barbaric of those amongst us would consider destroying it, right?

Well gollllly, Mr. edumacated, I ain't nearly as "well-educated" as you is, so that must be why me and the missus never called any of our younguns "fetuses" when she was 'spectin'.

That, or in real life, hardly anyone in this country (save the staunch pro-abortion crowd) refer to their unborn children as fetuses.


Right, "anti-baby" people. I keep forgetting.


I don't necessarily think that you are lying, I just think that you are deluded as to how most people really are. As far as I know, you truly do hang out with that fraction of a percent of the population that refers to their unborn children as fetuses.


Bully for you; and trust me, I wasn't worried.

Yes, "proper" terminology. Defining the terms of the debate is half the battle, right? As I said earlier, I am "pro-choice". You, however, are not anything like me. If you don't like the term "pro-abortion", maybe you could go for something like, "pro-killing the unborn when it's convenient"? Too wordy?



Again I will ask, do you vehemently oppose all abortions after the first trimester, when that unborn child is "well on the way to babyhood"?

There is a thread for this you know:

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...-abortion.html

I fail to see how this well hashed abortion debate you all seem to want to derail this thread into pertains to the issues of the thread.

Also smurf, unless you're against the Pill, and oral contraceptives in general, you yourself are "pro-abortion".

Technically, the thread has to do with "GOP Favorability". In the ensuing discussion, one of the many differences between the Republican and Democrat platforms (abortion), has crept into the thread. I'm not sure that constitutes "derailing this thread".

Not if ovulation has not occurred, phungus.

Then argue about abortion in the other thread. Just say that you differ on that particular issue here and maybe get back to the big picture. We're just saying....

yes, the topic is the gop and its irreversible spin into oblivion.

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Fair enough.

Will the Democrats come and hunt us down like wild animals once the party disintegrates, or will they be merciful and just send us to reeducation camps so that we may learn to follow the messiah, in all his perfectness?

My apologies. Back to the topic.

yes he courageously answered the phone and said "okay do your job" and thus he was able to single-handedly subdue the pirate menace with his heavenly obama-aura.

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Oh, "Stop killling alll the unborn"

Iraq did that already

Which it will, the happiest political prospect of my life.

The ONLY way the GOP can save even a vestige of itself now is if Obama's policies tank immediately and big time and basically even THAT won't help them at this point since they've come right out and SAID they wanted it to happen, they have also set themselves up to be blamed for it, if it does.

It the Dems policies succeed they look like traitors who wanted bad things for everybody.

If the Dems policies fail they look like traitors who CAUSED bad things for everybody.

They're nude, blued, rude and tattooed, no way out.

Anybody see any way around this?

And Matt, I don't want to strangle or exile anybody. I just want the GOP ended as a viable political party. Seen something as we see the Prohibition party, or the Communists. They've always struck me as profoundly UnAmerican, a coalition of Royalists, Religious fanatics, oligarchs of several stripes, and Plutocrats, all the old crap this country was founded to get away from coupled with the most evil philosophy that was nearly totally home grown.

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So long as the Republican Party is led by such as McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor, there can be no comeback. So long as political contributions mean more to them than the well-being of the average citizen, the people will not follow them. Until they can figure out how we can, as a nation and a people, get things done, and until they quit being "the party of NO," there is no chance that they can regain the respect and allegiance of the average citizen.

When it doesn't, you won't become self destructive, will you? I worry that you are setting yourself up for a terrible disappointment.

You are confusing, "I told you so", with "wanting it to happen". No one (in the GOP, anyway) "wants" the nation rocketing towards a socialist pit of oblivion where the government controls even more aspects of our lives.

Those policies can't "succeed". Unless by "succeed", you mean a socialist utopia where nobody works, and the government showers the citizenry with all that they desire. Of course, with no Americans left working, do you think that the rest of the world will keep admiring our green paper and sending us real goods forever, so that we may all sit on our asses in government housing eating Cheetos watching Jerry Springer all day?

Again, see above about "I told you so", vs. "wanting it to happen", or in this case, "CAUSING" it to happen.

The foundations for the recovery will start to be laid around November, 2010. Full recovery will take much longer.

Good God, man! Democrats running amok with no one to oppose their insanity? We would be completely ruined within a decade.

so in four years, everyone's going to travel back two years in time and vote in the 2010 elections?

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Lay off, willya?

That's the kind of creative math that's going to solve all our problems.

That's just how screwed up it will be. The space time continuum is doomed!

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i think from now on whenever you post i'm going to imagine you speaking in the good doctor carl sagan's voice.


"the space time conTINuummm is dOOmed."

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