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Old 10-05-2009
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Re: Social role determines political views

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Why does this remind me of the Mac vs PC commercials....which then always remind me that I had to be forcibly restrained from throwing the first and last Mac I ever bought against the wall less than an hour after I bought it?

Oh, and lemme ask the OP, which one are you?
I will never own a Macintosh. Apple is clearly drone-fodder.

I am an artisan.

These categories can be applied independent of political alignment, although one side is drastically overrepresented in one category.

No one mentioned how nu-metal = Macintosh.
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Re: Social role determines political views

Is this a joke? I'm not trying to be cute, this really seems like it must be satire to me.
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Old 10-06-2009
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Re: Social role determines political views

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I will never own a Macintosh. Apple is clearly drone-fodder.

I am an artisan.

These categories can be applied independent of political alignment, although one side is drastically overrepresented in one category.

No one mentioned how nu-metal = Macintosh.
It's just beautiful how one third of humanity is clearly worthless dregs with no use whatsoever, for all our problems are then easily solved. Roll out the cattle cars and fire up the ovens, we have here the Final Solution to unemployment, poverty and street mimes.

Is there ANY use to "drones"? like maybe they have enough sense to realize that the guy in the middle is silently saying to most normal people; "PLEASE, smack this very definition of self-satisfied smugness off my face and maybe break my far too good looking nose while you're at it."

And of COURSE you're an artisan, if just ONCE I would see one you guys putting THEMSELF among the useless I would at least give half an ear to what he was saying. As it is what we have here is yet another donkey in the field, braying about how soon they can overthrow the humans who enslave them and bring on the Age of Donkeys, just as soon as they kill off all the donkeys not to his liking.
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Re: Social role determines political views

Oh, and if this is satire, keep your day job. You're not going to be writing for Letterman anytime soon (though, with a little polish you might go for Leno, but you better be quick)
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Pretty much a rehashing of what we already know. People who earn their living tend to favor policies which let them keep it. People who are given it, tend to support policies which keep the handouts coming. You might say Hollywood is a bit odd, as those rich people could be said to have earned their money, but I think a small business owner who puts in 60 hours a week of labor and risk might be offended at an actor who gets rich quick off their looks and questionable talent. You might also say the working poor are a bit off and that they earn their pay. But with the massive help they have from the govt, I wouldnt agree. Im drawing broad strokes of course.
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Re: Social role determines political views

Well, this gave me a laugh. Pity though, as the actual premise of the thread, how socail role determines voting is actually quite interesting and is very, very influental on how we vote.
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Well, this gave me a laugh. Pity though, as the actual premise of the thread, how socail role determines voting is actually quite interesting and is very, very influental on how we vote.
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Re: Social role determines political views

A bit of a half baked theory, and based on wishful thinking rather than reality. Obviously not a serious piece of work - just another "all liberals are losers" article put out by someone who has an over inflated sense of their own value.

I have had a look at a few articles but couldn't find a comprehensive one that addressed the points raised in this - so I've pulled together a few general bits and pieces.

There was one study which looked very interesting, and found some significant differences, but that used Myer Briggs - and since most people here wouldn't know what INFP etc means I figured best to leave it. If anyone is interested I'll post the link.



AS far as personality traits and voters are concerned, some studies show significant differences on some levels between conservative and liberal voters, but ability does not predict voting patterns as the OP seems to think.

On average, Liberal voters tend to be better educated. Arts/humanities graduates are more likely to be Liberals, with a slightly higher ratio of conservative voters having qualifications in quantitative fields.

Some studies show conservative voters are generally more rigid in thinking, cautious and less willing to accept change.

Most people on both sides are influenced by those they identify with, whether that be media personalities, social groups, family and or friends. It is not unusual for people on both ends of the spectrum to disregard or reject any view they do not agree with, and to surround themselves with like minded people when discussing political issues. Both groups include those who will attack people who disagree with them, and will do so without the use of any logical argument.

Both conservatives and liberals can be highly individualistic in orientation, wth a focus on indivdual rights. Liberals are more inclined towards cooperation and a more structured approach to providing essential infrastructure, including "social wage" components such as health, education and welfare.

Liberals are more focussed on change as a means of bringing about improvements to society, and are often angry and frustrated, believing things should be better. Conservatives tend to be angry that things are "not as good" as they had once been, and are resistant to further change.

And one article indicates that over time, the number of conservatives in the US is increasing.
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I think it's true: your abilities and personality determine how you vote. You may be hardwired to be more conservative or more liberal no matter which party you're in, but nature's secret is that those attributes reflect the kind of role in which you're comfortable.

If you've got true leadership potential, meaning that you can go into an unknown situation and figure out a strategy and see it to completion despite unexpected twists and turns, you'll think like a historian when it comes to politics.

If you're a hard working, clear-thinking person, you'll do your best to defend society and always be from the Don't Fix It If It Ain't Broke camp.

But on the other hand if you can't stop spending your money and time on distractions, and therefore are always beneath the wheel, you're going to get defensive and join the It's Not My Fault horde, and want handouts, special permissions, exceptions, etc. on a constant basis because you'll see yourself as the perennial victim.

I bet this applies to music, too, but not musical genre per se (although all nu-metal fans are drones).

From this article which has offended 6,173 people so far.
I think there is a kernel of truth to the premise in the thread title, but this article does the premise an academic disservice.
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