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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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Oh... I see... it only matters when they have an (R) by their name!!

Got it!
No, it matters because it's the topic of this thread.

Super-duper glad I could clear that up for you.
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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

Gerrymandering is what will make the next NY state legislative elections very interesting. The next redistricting is due and if dems still control, it may be the end of the republicans in the state legislature and US House from NY for at least ten years.
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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

Thank god we don't have to deal with that crap here, we've got only one rep in SD. That BS would drive me bonkers.
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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Gerrymandering is what will make the next NY state legislative elections very interesting. The next redistricting is due and if dems still control, it may be the end of the republicans in the state legislature and US House from NY for at least ten years.
Gerrymandering has become very interesting in the last 30 years or so. It use to be that parties prioritized maximizing the number of seats they held, even if it meant throwing an incumbent under the bus. But increasingly the primary consideration has been incumbent protection, only then followed by maximizing party electoral advantage.

It used to be that a party would rather have four seats with a a slightly smaller registration advantage than three districts with heavy advantagages to protect incumbents, that has shifted steadily. It is part of the reason that so few seats are relatively competitive most years.
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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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Since 1871 there have been 16 Republican and 17 Democratic congressmen in district 23. It was gerrymandered up and down NY.


New York's 23rd congressional district - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What do you think the odds are of Knute admitting a “mistake” twice in one day?

Slim to none, I’d say.

It’s just another example of him making some asinine, ridiculous claim,, and hoping nobody calls him on it.

It’s par for the course for Knute…
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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

Maybe political aspirants seeking to get attention from the endorsement should have looked more at this Hoffman as a candidate rather than a chess piece. He didn't appear to have that good a persona, a personal platform, or any real local ties. He was probably not the best one to use as a sweeping political example.
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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What do you think the odds are of Knute admitting a “mistake” twice in one day?

Slim to none, I’d say.

It’s just another example of him making some asinine, ridiculous claim,, and hoping nobody calls him on it.

It’s par for the course for Knute…
Well- I will be damned-It looks like a might wrong twice in the same day. Now you have to admit you were wrong about that.
Don't worry , neither one are very important in the grand scheme of things. I should have checked my source.Even though it appeared good to me.
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Although Republicans have held the 23rd’s House seat since 1871, Tuesday’s election was never going to be a cakewalk. President George W. Bush won narrowly in the 23rd in 2000 and 2004 but Mr Obama was a five-point victor there a year ago. Some suspect he created the vacancy in part because he calculated a Democrat might fill itRepublican gangs of New York wage civil war - Telegraph
You should check your bizarre assertions about others without really knowing anything about them. My claim was hardly asinine or ridiculous( and I might ad , nasty) as yours was of me.
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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Maybe political aspirants seeking to get attention from the endorsement should have looked more at this Hoffman as a candidate rather than a chess piece. He didn't appear to have that good a persona, a personal platform, or any real local ties. He was probably not the best one to use as a sweeping political example.
On proper reflection, Scozzafava was a pretty abysmal pick as well. Do you think that if Hoffman had been the official nominee of the party establishment and not opposed by it for all but the last weekend of the race he wouldn't have closed that 4-5 point margin in the end?

Like I said, the message was that party unity is important WHOEVER the candidate is, but Hoffman would have been the preferable candidate for them all to unify behind in the first place.

One thing I think all of us can agree on was a BIG positive last in yesterday's election...none of the major races being followed landed in some god awful recount!
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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Well- I will be damned-It looks like a might wrong twice in the same day. Now you have to admit you were wrong about that.
I won't afford you that, only because you'd never admit your dishonesty had you not been called on it...

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Don't worry , neither one are very important in the grand scheme of things. I should have checked my source.Even though it appeared good to me.
Right.

These are equally true statements:

Democrats have held the seat since 1871.

In fact, as many Republicans have held the seat as Democrats, so it's not exactly the smartest thing in the world to try to present it as a steadfastly Republican district...

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You should check your bizarre assertions about others without really knowing anything about them. My claim was hardly asinine or ridiculous( and I might ad , nasty) as yours was of me.
Your assertions have been asinine, and they have been ridiculous.

They have also been dishonest.

In each case today, a simple 30 second Google search would've netted more than enough information to preclude you making the ridiculous, untrue statements you've made.

You're more interested in trying to make a point than you are in being honest, though...
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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I won't afford you that, only because you'd never admit your dishonesty had you not been called on it...



Right.

These are equally true statements:

Democrats have held the seat since 1871.

In fact, as many Republicans have held the seat as Democrats, so it's not exactly the smartest thing in the world to try to present it as a steadfastly Republican district...



Your assertions have been asinine, and they have been ridiculous.

They have also been dishonest.

In each case today, a simple 30 second Google search would've netted more than enough information to preclude you making the ridiculous, untrue statements you've made.

You're more interested in trying to make a point than you are in being honest, though...
You still at it?I made a statement which might be wrong and I admitted it , but I made it based on a source which I sourced and it was a good one. You call me dishonest which if I were, I never would have posted the first source that you picked apart. In the mean time , you were dead wrong that I would not admit two mistakes in the same day but you can't admit that as I expected. Keep calling me dishonest but provide some real truth instead of your obsessed prejudice.
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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

I knew Dems hadn't held the seat since 1871 because they said it on the Daily Show. I also knew from the Daily Show that the conservative contender didn't live in the district because it had been Gerrymandered away from him.

Amazing how Jon Stewart packs news and entertainment into one package.
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

according to Pelosi she gained 2 seats yesterday...uhm hello, Tauscher was a dem....she gained ONE seat..ffs this woman is just off her rocker, you see according to her yesterday was a win....
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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I knew Dems hadn't held the seat since 1871 because they said it on the Daily Show. I also knew from the Daily Show that the conservative contender didn't live in the district because it had been Gerrymandered away from him.

Amazing how Jon Stewart packs news and entertainment into one package.
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

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according to Pelosi she gained 2 seats yesterday...uhm hello, Tauscher was a dem....she gained ONE seat..ffs this woman is just off her rocker, you see according to her yesterday was a win....
She was right .One was vacant Y'all try to make such petty shit seem so important-
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Old 11-04-2009
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Re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

The Republicans lost a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-Big Government Leftist and the Dems gained another Blue Dog. All in all, a pretty good day.
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