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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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Bleating from the forum sheep. Why would I expect anything intelligent?
Aw, the little duckling must have had a rough day at the mall. Did another teenager get away from you after shoplifting at a kiosk?
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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Because you're dumb enough not to be able to back up what you say?

Just a guess.
Two different replies to the same post. It must have been an awfully bad day. Did a teenager get belligerent with you in the food court, and you accidentally pepper sprayed yourself?
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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terrific news. NY-23 deserves a real choice.

RINOs beware.
Oh hell no, how dare anyone think for themselves.

You may pick up a seat here because it's a strongly conservative district anyway, but (and god I hate to say this) Gingrich is right, you can't have a winning party on a national basis with only 20% of the electorate.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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You may have noticed that obama and the dems did not even whisper the words "single payer" during this whole legislative process. That's a good indicator that neither pres nor congress is particularly "left" on the issue. You're right they will be seen as buckling to the insurance companies. And rightly so. But it will be difficult for republicans to make hay on that since they have been carrying the spear for insurance companies themselves for years. As for layoffs, it will be difficult to say they come from mandated insurance and not from the economic catastrophe which dems will be able to blame on bush for at least the '10 election and probably the '12 too.

A lot will come down to execution of campaign strategies. But IMO the only way the republicans have a chance is if they tone down the extreme right and come back to the middle. So far I see no signs of that and if the conservative wins the NY 23 it may be even harder for them to do so.
Okay, back from work, I'll respond and finish my thoughts. First, the president hasn't advocated anything specific at all, and so far as I can tell has been oddly nonspecific on the type of change to be made to health care. He could want to replace all doctors with trained orangutans and pay them in bananas, he hasn't said so we don't know.

Second, Nancy Pelosi is on record favoring single payer, and has just let go of the last shred of it in the House bill. Just, as in two days ago.

Third, you are correct, the Republican leadership has bowed to the wishes of the insurance companies for the last umpteen years. However, imitation of this reduces the Democratic leadership to saying "But they did it too!" as a defense, and gives ammunition to any Republican challenger who can admit mistakes were made by his party, but he will not repeat them. It's akin in principle proving your opponent is corrupt. Incumbent Democrats, especially those in redish/purplish states, will be hurt badly.

Fourth, yes, the Democrats can try to blame the layoffs on Bush. However, given that swift corrective action was promised to follow election. The economy has been stated by the Democratic leadership to be in recovery.(I don't agree with that assessment, but whatever, my assessment is irrelevant to the point.) And the Bush excuse is already being seen to be wearing thin. This is why it was smart for the Democrats to wait to implement this until after the next presidential election. The flipside is that it can't really be effectively claimed as an achievement. The power of this argument is very largely in how much this batch of politicians manage after having effectively wasted a year of time. If they don't want the black mark, they need to hustle and get other, less controversial things done.

You're right, it does depend on campaign strategies, but my point was that this provides strong leverage to create an opening. There is no knockout punch in politics unless your opponent delivers it to himself.

As far as Palin herself goes, I think she'll still be a lame duck in 2012. She needs to build up a better image, educate herself on policy, cache herself a war chest, and maybe run for the Senate to build up some credibility. By 2016 I give her a chance again, if she plays her cards right. I say Paul (health permitting) or Romney in 2012, though.

As far as the Republicans coming back to the middle, I don't see it happening either, the difference is that I don't see it as totally catastrophic for them, for various reasons.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

Joe Scarbourough made a good point this morning that liberals will not try to make this about abortion and gay marriage, and that the republican party is becoming a small tent. Ironically they never complain about the democrat party excluding 40% of america thats conservative. In any case, he was right, as Mondays editorials are all about small tent RNC, abortion, gay marriage, fear of minorities, etc. Yet, since when is conservative not appealing to everyone?

First off, social conservatives dont rule the ideology. Im a social conservative, I could care less what people do in their private homes. But the main thrust of conservatism is limited govt. What about that doesnt appeal to liberals? Liberals dont like low taxes, less govt? If liberals are about education, conservatism says get the govt out of your school and let you take control. If liberals are about jobs, conservatives say give you your money back, incentivize business, stop bailing out failing corps, end corp subsidies. If liberals are about healthcare, conservatives say keep more of your money and go buy health care directly. Stop allowing massive legal rewards, allow more competition, get the govt out of your health decisions.

If anything, these elections may show what you can do when the people become informed of how liberalism destroys individual freedom, and what conservatives can do when they stick to their message of how conservatism is for everyone, not just for who the media thinks everyone in the RNC is, religious gun toting abortion protestors.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

After reading some more this is really rediculous:

-RNC bosses choose a liberal republican to run
-republican voters choose to support the conservative candidate
-liberal republican withdraws and throws support to the democrat!
-RNC supports the conservative!

If this isnt the final proof that scozzafava was the wrong candidate...
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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Good news for conservatives, assuming the Conservative Party candidate can now win. Newt Gingrich was backing the "R" as were other national Republicans, the polls may show Newt to pick his battles better in the future. And, I'm a Newt fan, but he clearly missed this one.
Republicans are going to win convincingly, the people have seen what "hope and change" really is and they're no longer buying the cloaked socialism.

I think a lot of Libertarians and independents are going to have a real shot in 2010 and will win more seats then usual, which I don't have a problem with but this "transition to socialism as quick as possible" experiment will be over.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

Dis, Lieberman is officially an "Independent". If the Dems want to kick him out of their caucus, I'm sure the GOP will accept him.
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OH, and for this who make a big deal of Hoffman not living in the district or being "ignorant of local issues", the fact that he is going to win handily should make you worry, because that means that voters are not deciding this race primarly on local issues, but on broader national ones. Which means it IS a referendum on team Obama-Pelosi-Reid!
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OH, and for this who make a big deal of Hoffman not living in the district or being "ignorant of local issues", the fact that he is going to win handily should make you worry, because that means that voters are not deciding this race primarly on local issues, but on broader national ones. Which means it IS a referendum on team Obama-Pelosi-Reid!
One thing I didnt like about this race is the focus on keeping the military base as a focus of their economy. Their relying on a govt spending instead of trying to build a real economy.
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One thing I didnt like about this race is the focus on keeping the military base as a focus of their economy. Their relying on a govt spending instead of trying to build a real economy.
Bingo!

And what is the end result of government spending?
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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One thing I didnt like about this race is the focus on keeping the military base as a focus of their economy. Their relying on a govt spending instead of trying to build a real economy.
A better part of the district is in the Adirondack Park were development of any kind is banned, even for tourists purposes. I don't blame them one bit.
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Oh hell no, how dare anyone think for themselves.

You may pick up a seat here because it's a strongly conservative district anyway, but (and god I hate to say this) Gingrich is right, you can't have a winning party on a national basis with only 20% of the electorate.
Funny, becuase every recent poll shows that people who identify themselves as conservative outnumber those who consider themselves liberal by huge margins. Which means that the base of the GOP is a better starting point electorally than the base of the Democrats. It also lends support to the notion that the GOP loses when they fail to distinguish themselves sufficiently from the democrats, ("an echo not a choice" is a sure fire road to defeat).

That and notice how democrats always accuse Republicans of using "wedge" issues. What is a "wedge" issue? Well, the left would have you believe it is the GOP giving into its extremist base. But in reality, "wedge" issues are those which the democrats are completely beholden to their base on, but which turn off the center.
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Who mans the polling stations in that district? I'll wager it's folks with ties to established parties, that never speaks well for indie candidates. 15 points is still a small margin before folks count the ballots.
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As far as Lieberman? If he actively votes against the dems healthcare plans, he should be immediately kicked from the party and stripped of all committee duties and responsibilities. Hell he supported a republican president and has actively campaigned for R's over D's. The squishy republicans don't even stoop that low (Specter at least had the balls to switch parties instead of staying R and campaigning for dems). Chances are though, if Lieberman fucks the dems over, they will let him keep all of his positions, because they are pansy-assed pussies that way.
Lieberman is an Independent. He hasn't been a Democrat since 2007, but he has caucused with them. I imagine you are correct that he will probably lose his committee assignments.
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