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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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First off, social conservatives dont rule the ideology. Im a social conservative, I could care less what people do in their private homes. But the main thrust of conservatism is limited govt. What about that doesnt appeal to liberals? Liberals dont like low taxes, less govt? If liberals are about education, conservatism says get the govt out of your school and let you take control. If liberals are about jobs, conservatives say give you your money back, incentivize business, stop bailing out failing corps, end corp subsidies. If liberals are about healthcare, conservatives say keep more of your money and go buy health care directly. Stop allowing massive legal rewards, allow more competition, get the govt out of your health decisions.

If anything, these elections may show what you can do when the people become informed of how liberalism destroys individual freedom
These people are not liberals. They are Socialists and Marxists who have hijacked and bastardized the word liberal to mean something it doesn't.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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Funny, becuase every recent poll shows that people who identify themselves as conservative outnumber those who consider themselves liberal by huge margins. Which means that the base of the GOP is a better starting point electorally than the base of the Democrats. It also lends support to the notion that the GOP loses when they fail to distinguish themselves sufficiently from the democrats, ("an echo not a choice" is a sure fire road to defeat).

That and notice how democrats always accuse Republicans of using "wedge" issues. What is a "wedge" issue? Well, the left would have you believe it is the GOP giving into its extremist base. But in reality, "wedge" issues are those which the democrats are completely beholden to their base on, but which turn off the center.
Yes sir.

Al Frankin most recently is responsible for exactly this type of "wedge" issue.

"republicans are for rape"

What type of non-sense is that about?

Oh and the liberals will be the first motherfuckers in line to condemn stereotyping.

Its absolutely stunning.

To make it even more retarded they make a public spectacle of their hypocrisy... Its almost as if they want to be so boldly hypocritical that the premise doesn't even apply to them.
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re: NY-23 House Race (merger)

that appears way to high...I am sorry as much as I like Hoffman and want him to romp...thats an outlier...BUT I have researched PPP and they appear to have been amoong the top 2 most accurate pollsters in swing state polling in the last 2 midterms and special Elections ..but 15? Wow…

here is the running score from real clear which baskets the polls on a rolling average from several different pollsters...the good news is Sienna, looks like they have played it fair down the middle and provided polls showing at some point in time each candidate having a lead, so it appears to me they are honest, and they now have Hoffman up by a solid 5%.



Siena 11/1 - 11/1 606 LV 41 36 6 Hoffman +5
PPP (D) 10/31 - 11/1 1747 LV 51 34 13 Hoffman +17
Siena 10/27 - 10/29 700 LV 35 36 20 Owens +1
Daily Kos/R2000 10/26 - 10/28 600 LV 32 33 21 Owens +1
Minuteman/Neighborhood (R) 10/25 - 10/26 366 LV 34 29 14 Hoffman +5
CFG/Basswood Research (R) 10/24 - 10/25 300 LV 31 27 20 Hoffman +4
Daily Kos/R2000 10/19 - 10/21 600 LV 23 35 30 Owens +5
Siena 10/11 - 10/13 617 LV 23 33 29 Owens +4
Siena 9/27 - 9/29 622 LV 16 28 35 Scozzafava +7
CFG/Basswood Research (R) 9/17 - 9/17 300 LV 17 17 20 Scozzafava +3
McLaughlin (R) 8/25 - 8/26 300 LV 16 17 26 Scozzafava +9

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-1119.html
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

I hope the GOP takes note of what is happening there. If they don't, they may be in for a lot more of this in 2010/2012.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

The GOP in NY has long tried to be the Democrat Lite Party in order to attract actual liberals, instead of providing real alternatives to the disastrous liberal polices and turning liberals into conservatives.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

If the people in NY's 23 feel duty bound to send a message to the current administration, that's their right, but I think they're making a mistake if they elect the Conservative candidate. Not because he's conservative, but because they're basically giving up their right to representation to "prove a point". That's great and all, but once everything settles down and NY's 23 is no longer in the news, who's going to give a crap about them then? Certainly not the Conservative candidate who doesn't give a crap about them right now.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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If the people in NY's 23 feel duty bound to send a message to the current administration, that's their right, but I think they're making a mistake if they elect the Conservative candidate. Not because he's conservative, but because they're basically giving up their right to representation to "prove a point". That's great and all, but once everything settles down and NY's 23 is no longer in the news, who's going to give a crap about them then? Certainly not the Conservative candidate who doesn't give a crap about them right now.
Maybe they are being good americans, putting their desire to see the good of the country trump someone who they send to Congress merely to take care of them, the rest of the country be damned.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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The GOP in NY has long tried to be the Democrat Lite Party in order to attract actual liberals, instead of providing real alternatives to the disastrous liberal polices and turning liberals into conservatives.

And you have high costs to the citizenry as a result.
You should give NYC to Jersey.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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If the people in NY's 23 feel duty bound to send a message to the current administration, that's their right, but I think they're making a mistake if they elect the Conservative candidate. Not because he's conservative, but because they're basically giving up their right to representation to "prove a point". That's great and all, but once everything settles down and NY's 23 is no longer in the news, who's going to give a crap about them then? Certainly not the Conservative candidate who doesn't give a crap about them right now.
Agreed, provided, of course, that they don't actually just want a conservative representative.
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Maybe they are being good americans, putting their desire to see the good of the country trump someone who they send to Congress merely to take care of them, the rest of the country be damned.
That's what a Congressional Representative is for, local representation. Like I said, if that's what they want to do, fine, but I personally think that's stupid. I'm going to vote for the guy who I feel will best represent me when he goes to Washington and not lose a second of sleep over it, as everyone else has the right to. If you're more concerned about ideology, more power to you, but don't be upset when things don't work out quite the way you expected.
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Agreed, provided, of course, that they don't actually just want a conservative representative.
They may be all they want, but I would at least want one who's familiar with the basics of the district, not one who's just using my district as a launching pad for ideological war.
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Re: Republican Scozzafava quits race NY:23

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If the people in NY's 23 feel duty bound to send a message to the current administration, that's their right, but I think they're making a mistake if they elect the Conservative candidate. Not because he's conservative, but because they're basically giving up their right to representation to "prove a point". That's great and all, but once everything settles down and NY's 23 is no longer in the news, who's going to give a crap about them then? Certainly not the Conservative candidate who doesn't give a crap about them right now.
Considering that whats best for NY-23 is to get the government out of the way of individual citizens, and not what swag their Rep can bring home, why would that be a mistake.

Granted Albany is just as much a problem as Washington, but Scozzafava is party to that debacle, a fact glossed over by the national press.
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And you have high costs to the citizenry as a result.
You should give NYC to Jersey.
Why on Earth would Jersey take it?

Cut them lose. In fact, any county/metro area with more than a million people gets district "DC Status", on Rep with voting power equal to population percentage against the nation, and one Senator.
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Considering that whats best for NY-23 is to get the government out of the way of individual citizens, and not what swag their Rep can bring home, why would that be a mistake.

Granted Albany is just as much a problem as Washington, but Scozzafava is party to that debacle, a fact glossed over by the national press.
The first thing on my list of what I want in a Rep is knowledge of my district. That's pretty important to me, but I realize it's not important to others. The fact this guy couldn't take 30 minutes to prepare for the debate ahead of time tells me he couldn't care less about the people he's trying to represent. He can't send a message and actually do the job of a Congressional Rep at the same time?
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