Thread: NBC poll--Tea Party more popular that the Democrat or Republican party.

There are two parties in the US because the rules favor two parties.
The first past the post, winner take all format of our elections will always gravitate towards a two party system.
For more than two parties you need a system with proportional representation, so that any party that gets more than a certain percentage, say 10% is guaranteed representation in the government.
Because of our system, the finer points of political debate and policy making are done within the party, but party principles mean nothing if you lose, so the system favors big spending and government growth, it's how the founding fathers set it up.

Originally Posted by goober

There are two parties in the US because the rules favor two parties.
The first past the post, winner take all format of our elections will always gravitate towards a two party system.
For more than two parties you need a system with proportional representation, so that any party that gets more than a certain percentage, say 10% is guaranteed representation in the government.
Because of our system, the finer points of political debate and policy making are done within the party, but party principles mean nothing if you lose, so the system favors big spending and government growth, it's how the founding fathers set it up.

That's the problem. Americans no longer trust the federal government, & for good reason. Right now, party affliation sucks. Americans are so ticked off--it is they--themselves-that have come together.

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Originally Posted by goober

There are two parties in the US because the rules favor two parties.
The first past the post, winner take all format of our elections will always gravitate towards a two party system.
For more than two parties you need a system with proportional representation, so that any party that gets more than a certain percentage, say 10% is guaranteed representation in the government.
Because of our system, the finer points of political debate and policy making are done within the party, but party principles mean nothing if you lose, so the system favors big spending and government growth, it's how the founding fathers set it up.

And just When did the Rules that you speak of come to be?

When one looks at the history that has not always been the case. When did it Change?

List of political parties in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A read shows many over the years , coming and going like the tide, but what has put an end to it?

Also , I feel that you missed some thing in the History, that was NOT the way things where set up, not when one reads the feelings of a party by the founders.

I think I can go for this! I just don't want the Democrats or Republicans in office! America is long overdue for a do over. I also think though that the only way it's going to happen is if we have another revolution or civil war! I'm not against that either. Just so long as the Republicans and Democrats are out and for good! We need to take this country back to pre1913 times! Minimal government, no income taxation of any sort, no social security taxation, no medicare/medicaid taxation, all our troops back home REGARDLESS of the situation, out of the UN, out of the IMF, out of the WTO, out of the WHO and a whole lot more and last but not least, a thorough cleanup in Washington D.C. itself! Anything less will not do!

Originally Posted by goober

There are two parties in the US because the rules favor two parties.
The first past the post, winner take all format of our elections will always gravitate towards a two party system.
For more than two parties you need a system with proportional representation, so that any party that gets more than a certain percentage, say 10% is guaranteed representation in the government.
Because of our system, the finer points of political debate and policy making are done within the party, but party principles mean nothing if you lose, so the system favors big spending and government growth, it's how the founding fathers set it up.

So the first order of business is to figure out how to change the system. The system IS the problem.

Originally Posted by RRAHH

I think I can go for this! I just don't want the Democrats or Republicans in office! America is long overdue for a do over. I also think though that the only way it's going to happen is if we have another revolution or civil war! I'm not against that either. Just so long as the Republicans and Democrats are out and for good! We need to take this country back to pre1913 times! Minimal government, no income taxation of any sort, no social security taxation, no medicare/medicaid taxation, all our troops back home REGARDLESS of the situation, out of the UN, out of the IMF, out of the WTO, out of the WHO and a whole lot more and last but not least, a thorough cleanup in Washington D.C. itself! Anything less will not do!

Where in the hell have YOU been all my life?? I love how you put each and every word here. Absolutely right. We're at a stage now where we are very close to losing our country IMO. A couple more Supreme Court appointees and this sob will be able to re-write the Constitution and make it legal. Things couldn't be more urgent which is why I don't think your post is the least bit exaggerated. The whole thing is out of control, and counter to everything this country was founded on. The "third party" may be the last non-violent option.

The biggest lie that the system uses right now is that voting for a party other than X or Y is to through ones vote away and it does not count, and that by doing so party X or Y will win thus keeping X or Y out of power to do any thing for the PEOPLE.

There in Squats the Toad...

Over come that lie of the political machine that we have today and WE could get back a country worth fighting for again.

Originally Posted by AkDiesel

The biggest lie that the system uses right now is that voting for a party other than X or Y is to through ones vote away and it does not count, and that by doing so party X or Y will win thus keeping X or Y out of power to do any thing for the PEOPLE.
There in Squats the Toad...
Over come that lie of the political machine that we have today and WE could get back a country worth fighting for again.

I don't know if I'd call it a "lie", I saw it happen with Perot. Had Perot stayed out, Clinton would never have been president. But, I would say that things are so desperate right now that there are enough third party types to flat out beat the other two no matter what they do. I'm hoping that before long we'll see some of the great talent start organizing. The first thing they're going to have to do is convince many of the non-believers that a third party is the way to go. That's where our numbers come in, we have to let the Republicans know that we want nothing to do with that party, or the spiral into oblivion will continue.

Originally Posted by AkDiesel

The so called teabaggers or any other party DOES have a place, and when the current parties get off their high horse maybe they will see it or they will fall to the way side for not changing and listening to the people.

I and any number of others a tired of the snobs that call them selves Dem or Rep all the while not LISTENING to the people.

The teabaggers are not a (political) party.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

Where in the hell have YOU been all my life?? I love how you put each and every word here. Absolutely right. We're at a stage now where we are very close to losing our country IMO. A couple more Supreme Court appointees and this sob will be able to re-write the Constitution and make it legal. Things couldn't be more urgent which is why I don't think your post is the least bit exaggerated. The whole thing is out of control, and counter to everything this country was founded on. The "third party" may be the last non-violent option.

Where? Here! Laughing at all the morons who think Democrats or Republicans are the only way to go calling the others libs or neo-cons, left or right! The problem is, left is wrong, right is wrong and center is most definitely wrong. The only real thing left to do is, turn the fuck around and do a full 180 which is what you and I and a growing number of Americans want.

Yes! Let's take us back to isolationism and an agrarian society! That'll be great!

Originally Posted by RRAHH

Where? Here! Laughing at all the morons who think Democrats or Republicans are the only way to go calling the others libs or neo-cons, left or right! The problem is, left is wrong, right is wrong and center is most definitely wrong. The only real thing left to do is, turn the fuck around and do a full 180 which is what you and I and a growing number of Americans want.

As you know, I agree with you completely in spirit. I would, however, disagree a bit where you lump "the right" in with the left. When I refer to the "right", I am talking about conservatives and conservative thinking. For my money, this country was a country run on conservative values for the first two hundred years. Since the 60's democrats have raced to the radical fringes of left wing politics and the Republicans are doing their best to follow them.

So while I think the Republican party has failed miserably and I want nothing to do with them, I still would argue that what we need is a return to "conservative" values and the only way that seems possible is with a new party, a conservative party.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Yes! Let's take us back to isolationism and an agrarian society! That'll be great!

Are you slamming the Amish? :rolleyes: You use fancy words like "agrarian" and I had to look it up.

Why is it "isolationist" to want to protect your own borders, quit spending money on other countries, take care of our own poor and engage in FAIR trade around the world? That's not "isolationist", that's sanity. We have been the greatest force for good in the history of the world, but we no longer have the means to travel the world dropping billions everywhere like we did in the 50's. We're still spending like we have money, but we don't. Time for a change. Time to try to save our country from going under. Not isolationism, self preservation.