Thread: NBC poll--Tea Party more popular that the Democrat or Republican party.

Originally Posted by Tim

Hmmm...well, that has been my impression of her but I must admit I have some catching up to do regarding Palin and the Tea Party. It sounds like you follow the story closely, so thanks for the information.

I'm not sure what you mean by wimps. Are you referring to McCain?

He's certainly one. The "progressives" that permeate both parties and run from conservatism in most areas.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

He's certainly one. The "progressives" that permeate both parties and run from conservatism in most areas.

I don't think there are that many Republicans who would perceive themselves as progressives.

After the 2006 and 2008 election debacles, there was a movement within the GOP to become like the Democrats. Now that the Democrats have, in turn, started self-destructing (at a record pace) there is no incentive to move towards them.

I am very concerned about Palin's provincial and isolationist tendencies.

Originally Posted by Tim

I am very concerned about Palin's provincial and isolationist tendencies.

But can you really blame her for being isolationist? I mean, she could look across the water and see the USSR right from Wasila! That's enough to scare the best of us into isolationism.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

But can you really blame her for being isolationist? I mean, she could look across the water and see the USSR right from Wasila! That's enough to scare the best of us into isolationism.

*chuckle*

There is a small-town perspective that I am uncomfortable with in Palin and many of her followers. I don't like the idea of the GOP abandoning the cities to the untender mercies of the Left and returning to 1930.

Originally Posted by Tim

*chuckle*

There is a small-town perspective that I am uncomfortable with in Palin and many of her followers. I don't like the idea of the GOP abandoning the cities to the untender mercies of the Left and returning to 1930.

I have to agree. While I disagree with much conservative thought, I think that it's the balance between the left and the right that gives us strength. Pushing back to a history that only exists in the minds of some is not the answer. We can't go back to an agrarian society, much as some seem to want it.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

I have to agree. While I disagree with much conservative thought, I think that it's the balance between the left and the right that gives us strength. Pushing back to a history that only exists in the minds of some is not the answer. We can't go back to an agrarian society, much as some seem to want it.

Exactly.

The economic crash and receession have transformed the US more than we realize at this point. The desire to return to fiscal sanity and small government is something I full agree with and support. But there is a very deep desire to return to the old US that offered an alternative to Europe and other nations - a refuge with the ramparts up. That is just under the conscious level for millions.

It has an attractive and powerful appeal. But it just isn't viable anymore. That world ended on December 7, 1941 and it will never come back.

Originally Posted by Tim

Exactly.

The economic crash and receession have transformed the US more than we realize at this point. The desire to return to fiscal sanity and small government is something I full agree with and support. But there is a very deep desire to return to the old US that offered an alternative to Europe and other nations - a refuge with the ramparts up. That is just under the conscious level for millions.

You've nailed it. People seem to have forgotten that the USA was a largely agrarian society until WW2 pushed us into the manufacturing powerhouse that we were during and after the war. With the shift away from production of anything except ideas and services, we can't move back to the kind of society that existed 60 years ago.

It has an attractive and powerful appeal. But it just isn't viable anymore. That world ended on December 7, 1941 and it will never come back.

I really liked how you phrased that.

Originally Posted by Tim

I don't think there are that many Republicans who would perceive themselves as progressives.

No of course not. McCain, Graham, others all like to think of themselves as conservatives. That's laughable.

After the 2006 and 2008 election debacles, there was a movement within the GOP to become like the Democrats. Now that the Democrats have, in turn, started self-destructing (at a record pace) there is no incentive to move towards them.

I am very concerned about Palin's provincial and isolationist tendencies.

I like her because she's fresh, not a Washington insider, and she's grounded in common sense and conservative ideas. The exact opposite of what we're stuck with right now.

*sticks his noggin' thru the porthole*

mateys,

if them Tea Party members actually morph into a third party, methinks they shall run fast and hard from the GOP...'least if thar big concern be fiscal discipline and turn towards either the democrats or forge thar own path.

raise yer sails and head o'er to this part 'o our forums....

The deficit breakdown pie chart

drop anchor at post #65 and #79.

the mighty and charmin' Mrs. Palin shall have to run head to head against the GOP.

*nod nod*

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

*sticks his noggin' thru the porthole*

mateys,

if them Tea Party members actually morph into a third party, methinks they shall run fast and hard from the GOP...'least if thar big concern be fiscal discipline and turn towards either the democrats or forge thar own path.

raise yer sails and head o'er to this part 'o our forums....

The deficit breakdown pie chart

drop anchor at post #65 and #79.

the mighty and charmin' Mrs. Palin shall have to run head to head against the GOP.

*nod nod*

- MeadHallPirate

Palin goes after big spenders regardless of party affiliation--that's what scares the hell out of both parties. If you're not a conservative you're no friend of Sarah Palin's--or the tea party for that matter.

Originally Posted by Oreo

Palin goes after big spenders regardless of party affiliation--that's what scares the hell out of both parties. If you're not a conservative you're no friend of Sarah Palin's--or the tea party for that matter.

She supports conservatives, why is that a surprise?

Originally Posted by Oreo

Palin goes after big spenders regardless of party affiliation--that's what scares the hell out of both parties. If you're not a conservative you're no friend of Sarah Palin's--or the tea party for that matter.

*nods to Oreo*

lass, i don't think i, or most americans, be havin' a problem with government spendin' as long as that spendin' yields us a bountiful harvest. the problem i see be findin' a way to define "waste" that we all agrees on.

i be thinkin' that the rise and potential blossomin' 'o a third party...a Tea Party, shall do one 'o two things;

a) end up handin' the democratic party an easy vittory fer POTUS in 2012, or...

b) transform the GOP entirely. thar big spendin' journey o'er the last three decades shall have to come to an end, and they'll have to walk it like they talk it. such nonsense such as;

Sen. Christopher S. Bond regularly railed against President Obama's economic stimulus plan as irresponsible spending that would drive up the national debt. But behind the scenes, the Missouri Republican quietly sought more than $50 million from a federal agency for two projects in his state.

Mr. Bond was not alone. More than a dozen Republican lawmakers, while denouncing the stimulus to the media and their constituents, privately sent letters to just one of the federal government's many agencies seeking stimulus money for home-state pork projects.

and

Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican who became famous after yelling, "You lie," during Mr. Obama's addresses to Congress in September, voted against the stimulus. Nonetheless, Mr. Wilson elbowed his way into the rush for federal stimulus cash in a letter he sent to Mr. Vilsack on behalf of a foundation seeking funding.

"We know their endeavor will provide jobs and investment in one of the poorer sections of the Congressional District," he wrote to Mr. Vilsack in the Aug. 26, 2009, letter.

and

Ranked among the most conservative members of the House by the American Conservative Union (ACU), Rep. John Linder, Georgia Republican, posted a blog item on his Web site on Oct. 21, stating that recent unemployment figures "only reinforce the fact that the $787 billion 'stimulus' signed into law eight months ago has done nothing for job growth in this country."

Two weeks earlier, Mr. Linder had sent a letter to Mr. Vilsack backing an application for stimulus money by the Elauwit Community Foundation, records show. With unemployment in Georgia topping 10 percent, "the employment opportunities created by this program would be quickly utilized," Mr. Linder wrote.

these are but three 'o many examples 'o why thar be no way that Mrs. Palin has any other choice than to direct her fusillade at not only the left...but also directly at the "conservatives" in the GOP.

Stimulus foes see value in seeking cash - Washington Times

*grabs a box 'o pirate popcorn*

watchin' Mrs. Palin eviscerate the conservative GOP shall be fascinatin' to behold.


*salutes*

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

*sticks his noggin' thru the porthole*

mateys,

if them Tea Party members actually morph into a third party, methinks they shall run fast and hard from the GOP...'least if thar big concern be fiscal discipline and turn towards either the democrats or forge thar own path.

raise yer sails and head o'er to this part 'o our forums....

The deficit breakdown pie chart

drop anchor at post #65 and #79.

the mighty and charmin' Mrs. Palin shall have to run head to head against the GOP.

*nod nod*

- MeadHallPirate

I am going to repeat this over and over until people listen. Its the spending, stupid. Paraphrase the '92 Clinton campaign line and the American people will understand. From 1958 to 2008 federal revenues increased at an average rate of 7% per year. In other words, easily double-pacing the rate of inflation. During the same period spending has increased at an average rate of 7.5% per year. Obama's first budget raised spending by over 20%, ruining the 'fiscally responsible' label he was seeking. Clinton's record is of no help to Obama now. The problem could not be more obvious. Real spending cuts need to take place, and an increasing number of American people seem willing to vote for politicians with the guts to do so. When the time comes, it will not matter what letter is next to your name. Maybe a good chance for some Libertarians to win elections.