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A good number of people are going to be shocked by the results of this election in November... this poster shows one reason why.

I have been a registered Democrat for 30 years and yes I went to a Tea Party. I did not go because I had decided to become a Republican I went because I think our government is out of control. As a bartender I am the spider on the wall and I hear or over hear many conversations where people are confused and frightened as I am on what direction are country is headed. The majority of the people in the U.S. IMHO are sick of both the major parties for good reason they are both being run by corrupt or inept idiots and the populous is struggling to find something they can still believe in.

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In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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So, what does this poll prove exactly? That tea-party affiliates are conservative?

The shock!

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Noli arrogantium iniurias pati

And confirms that we are a center right nation.

I know, I know... just think happy thoughts and you'll feel better.

Of course the liberal Democrats are still going to get thrown out on their (collective) asses this November... but you'll feel better.

Along with confirming that we are a center right nation, this poll also speaks to the feelings that many people have... that Obama lied to them having been sold to the voters as a center-right candidate that would work with everyone.

He never was, and he never did.

Huh? The demographics of a political group do not equal the demographics of a nation. Not arguing with your conclusion, really, I'm just baffled at how one would arrive at it in this thread.

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As far as I can tell, no one mentioned "white supremacists" until you. Are you responding to a different thread or are you just tossing out pejoratives, hoping something sticks?
The Tea Party would like nothing more than to be 20% black, but I think we are all aware why at best, they can only hope for maybe 4 or 5%
People's view of government depends a lot on how government's largess affects them. Blacks are almost 5 times more likely to be on welfare or the recipient of the very social programs that the Tea Party opposes. You would hardly expect someone who's very livelihood depends on a government handout to carry a sign denouncing those that wish to give them even more. So why do you interject white supremacism into the debate? You seem to be trying to put a racist label on a group admittedly with no supporting statistics.

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I'm sick and tired of my brothers and sisters dying to preserve Americans' right to drive like assholes.

I think you are totally off-base and spout the typical Democrat party-line. I am not a "tea party" member and I am an Independent voter. I have voted for a Democrat in the past and might in the future but will not in the 2010 or 2012 elections. The present left of center congress and president is going to bankrupt this country. The United States in a "Centrist" country with far left and far right components.

op:

So assuming he is right, someone is assuming the Tea Parties being "racist".

So I look at the statistics and see how it proves otherwise. I do not find anything on race.

Upon pointing this out, I was told:

Whatever that is supposed to imply, I elaborate what I understood what the op may have meant, when he claimed that someone assumes the Tea Parties are "racist"- that it is not a racism of blacks against whites, or asians against blacks, but more likely, he was referring to whites against colored: in other words white supremacy: Again, what I understood what the op may have meant, when he claimed that someone assumes the Tea Parties are "white supermicists", and I pointed out that there is no data in the op's link about this subject. There is nothing which demonstrates for or against this issue. It does not equate to me calling anybody a racist or white supremicist.

Now as you and I both know race and poverty often go hand in hand, which means certain race tend to rely on welfare more than the others. And there is no surprise that people generally do not support policies that clearly undermines their own financial security and livelihood. You can go as far as saying those who are opposed to social programs that benefits to the largest extent a certain group of minority as opposing those minority themselves as a whole. Therefore someone who opposes welfares which benefits predominantly blacks can be said to be racist against blacks, or someone who opposes land owner's rights to raise rents when majority of properties are owned by Jews in the country concerned, can be said to be anti-semitic, and so on. But I am not claiming any of it, if you read.

If you read, I maintain that the tea party are neither racist nor not-racist. The point I have been making is, the data does not prove either way. Therefore the op cannot make any claims about tea party's race stance.

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Ernesto 'Che' Guevara.

What I find interesting is the media's sudden interest in the demographics of a political group. When Cindy Sheehan's group camped out in front of the Bush ranch, did Gallop take any polls to discover the political make-up of those lefties? When a group of environmentalist hold up the city of Seattle, did USA Today have any concern if moderates and conservatives were equally represented among the anti-corporate AGW believers?

I get irritated by this constant media ragging on the republican party for not being 'big tent' and refusing to 'reach across the isle'. Aw, but when Dems are in power there is no pressure to reach out to conservatives, and certainly no requirements to open up their tent to dissenting political views. Finally, we have a truly grass roots movement (no corporate or political party involvement) in this country, and the very media that begs for such purity is hell bent on destroying it.

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"Differentiating legal and illegal immigration is as critical as separating child adoption from child abduction."

Drive Bias

Uhh, SPF, if they're "lefties," it's pretty clear what their political makeup is.

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To me it seemed so - which is why I threw in that 'lefties' description as a conversation piece. Was there no media curiosity if war protesters were an actual fair representation of America? After all, the MSM gave Cindy Sheehan as much coverage as the war itself for a couple years. Were they not concerned about the make-up of here followers?

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The (almost)Great SupPackFan Quotes:
"The more times you drive over a cat - the flatter it gets!"
"Differentiating legal and illegal immigration is as critical as separating child adoption from child abduction."

Drive Bias

The OP did not make the claim. He was attempting to dispel the stereotype placed on the Tea Party by the left. His post refuted the idea, but you are the one who used the term "white supremacist' which connotes a very radical, often violent, form of racism. Your use of the term, quite casually, I might add, is exactly the point of the OP.

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I'm sick and tired of my brothers and sisters dying to preserve Americans' right to drive like assholes.

You cannot dispel a stereotype, unless there is a stereotype. Stereotypes are held by people, not objects nor animals. Therefore, if there is a stereotype, there are the people who holds those stereotypes. Therefore to claim such stereotype is to assume there are people with these stereotypes. I am not sure why someone with an elementary school degree can understand this, and you cannot.

Now, did the data say anthing for or against racial stereotypes? No. Except there is one figure on the bottom which shows minoritiy is under represented within the tea party compared to the overall population, therefore if it says anthing, it reinforces the racist stereotype of tea party, not against. However, I don't think enough is presented for this conclusion, so I pointed it out.

The term white supremacist, is my explaination to Tautog, what the specific type of stereotype that may have been involved and the op was trying to dispel. To which I said: It does not prove either way. Which means I do not see any indication that shows the tea party is or is not white supremacist.

If you need to take that outta context because it suits your agenda, it is up to you.

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Ernesto 'Che' Guevara.

Not only did he not refute the idea, his data reinforced it. There is an underrepresentation of minorities in the tea party, as compared to the percentages in the general population. But as I said before, I have not jumped to conclusions and have not called them "racist" or white supremacists. Instead, I pointed out the lack of data and said there can be no conclusions reached on this issue.

Left is the tea party %, and right is the general population %.


Let me ask you a question, since you and I both know tea party compose of vast majority of whites, and the op's data proves so- how is any other form of racism besides white supremacy possible? So if you have a group of white people- how is it possible to have a black against asian, or asian against white, or hispanics against jew, or any kind of racism besides white supermacy, that makes this group responsible? How is that logically, or physically possible?

If you cannot answer, you fail at understanding the meaning of white supermacy.

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"Déjeme decirle, a riesgo de parecer ridículo, que el revolucionario verdadero está guiado por grandes sentimientos de amor. Es imposible pensar en un revolucionario auténtico sin esta cualidad."

Ernesto 'Che' Guevara.

Their message isn't racial supremecy. It's pretty fucking simple.