Thread: The ACLU does something decent .....

.... For once.

Seems odd when a group that almost always fights against every decent aspect of America fights for and supports something decent.


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Peter Ferrara, a lawyer for the American Civil Rights Union, which is helping the tea partiers with their case, told the Washington Times nine states, including 12 Democratic senators who are not up for re-election otherwise, could all be on the ballot with a recall.

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It's the upstart tea party activism versus the establishment in a court case in New Jersey that could bode ill for members of Congress who raise the ire of their constituents by voting against their desires, and a decision is expected soon.

The case being watched by activists coast to coast is a proposal to recall Sen. Robert Menendez, a Democrat who voted for the Democrats' health law and various federal bailout spending plans to the frustration of New Jersey voters.

A tea party-backed organization proposed a recall vote on Menendez, whose term expires in 2012. But state officials summarily refused permission for the vote to take place.



It's tea party vs. establishment in fight to remove senator

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America "................

Originally Posted by goober

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America "................

Consider the messenger.

Originally Posted by goober

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America "................

I'm amazed--well, maybe not--that you think their sole mission is to defend the Bill of Rights. That might have been the case before 1970 but since then they limit their mission to cases that fit their political agenda or will get them publicity. I remember when they stood up, unequivicobably, for free speech. Not any more. For me, their last great moment was Skokie, Illinois.

I was involved in a civil case once and a union wanted to participate on my side. I refused them. I didn't want them on my side. If I were the Tea Party folks in New Jersey, I wouldn't want the ACLU on my side either. For me, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

Consider the messenger.

Wow, the surprises just don't stop coming

The ACLU takes on a case that is in support of something sensible, I cite WorldNetDaily as the source of the story, and you respond

With something different than; "No one believes anything WorldNutDaily says." ?

But I thought WorldNetDaily, AKA WorldNutDaily, was strictly in the business of making things up ?

At least according to every liberal and progressive at uspol.com.

Why not just go back to the old standby; "No one believes anything WorldNutDaily says." ?

But then you would have lost an opportunity to wedge in a "jab" at me personally I guess

Originally Posted by patrickt

I'm amazed--well, maybe not--that you think their sole mission is to defend the Bill of Rights. That might have been the case before 1970 but since then they limit their mission to cases that fit their political agenda or will get them publicity..

False. You don't know enough about the ACLU if you've come to this conclusion.

Their sole mission is to fight for civil rights. For EVERYONE. Even those who lie about them and hate them.

Originally Posted by Queen

False. You don't know enough about the ACLU if you've come to this conclusion.

Their sole mission is to fight for civil rights. For EVERYONE. Even those who lie about them and hate them.

From someone that tells someone else;

You don't know enough about the ACLU if you've come to this conclusion.

To then go on and say;

Their sole mission is to fight for civil rights. For EVERYONE.

Is very interesting indeed

The ACLU has been very choosy about who to defend for quite awhile. They pick an occasional case like this, it keeps some people believing that;

Their sole mission is to fight for civil rights. For EVERYONE.

You're clearly a faithful believer due to your lack of attention.

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America ".

I don't understand the right's animus for the ACLU, personally.

The only thing I've never liked about them is that they also defend people's "right" to government benefits, which isn't exactly a civil liberty by any definition. And the ACLU notably does not defend gun rights.

So I guess the animus is because although they are consistent within their worldview, it is a lefty worldview. But since they are consistent and fair within those paramaters rather than just a politically opportunistic group like ACORN, the right really should be more friendly. The ACLU has fought a lot of our fights, and often more effectively than the right has for itself.

Originally Posted by adaher

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America ".

I don't understand the right's animus for the ACLU, personally.

The only thing I've never liked about them is that they also defend people's "right" to government benefits, which isn't exactly a civil liberty by any definition. And the ACLU notably does not defend gun rights.

So I guess the animus is because although they are consistent within their worldview, it is a lefty worldview. But since they are consistent and fair within those paramaters rather than just a politically opportunistic group like ACORN, the right really should be more friendly. The ACLU has fought a lot of our fights, and often more effectively than the right has for itself.

But, as you state, they do not defend the Bill of Rights. They defend it when it fits their political agenda.

While I don't particularly care for their over zealous attacks on the public display of religion, the ACLU is not the bogeyman that conservatives like to paint it as. They're the best we've got at defending civil rights in this country.

Originally Posted by goober

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America "................

Uhhhh Go back and read the thread title. He was talking about the ACLU. Well, considering the source I guess you are referring to the Amerikan Communist Lawyers Union. From where I sit, it seems that their only interest in the Bill of Rights is how they can pervert it.

Originally Posted by adaher

Seems odd that a group whose sole mission is defending the Bill of Rights is characterized as "almost always fights against every decent aspect of America ".

I don't understand the right's animus for the ACLU, personally.

The only thing I've never liked about them is that they also defend people's "right" to government benefits, which isn't exactly a civil liberty by any definition. And the ACLU notably does not defend gun rights.

So I guess the animus is because although they are consistent within their worldview, it is a lefty worldview. But since they are consistent and fair within those paramaters rather than just a politically opportunistic group like ACORN, the right really should be more friendly. The ACLU has fought a lot of our fights, and often more effectively than the right has for itself.

The NRA only fights for gun rights. I think they've got it covered.....

Originally Posted by Ernie S.

Uhhhh Go back and read the thread title. He was talking about the ACLU. Well, considering the source I guess you are referring to the Amerikan Communist Lawyers Union. From where I sit, it seems that their only interest in the Bill of Rights is how they can pervert it.

And this folks, is the result of right wing brainwashing against the ACLU.

Originally Posted by Ernie S.
Uhhhh Go back and read the thread title. He was talking about the ACLU. Well, considering the source I guess you are referring to the Amerikan Communist Lawyers Union. From where I sit, it seems that their only interest in the Bill of Rights is how they can pervert it.

Originally Posted by Queen

And this folks, is the result of right wing brainwashing against the ACLU.

And that folks, is the result of left wing brainwashing for the ACLU.

Originally Posted by Queen

The NRA only fights for gun rights. I think they've got it covered.....

but i thought they protected civil rights for EVERYONE. Everyone would include lawful citizens that own firearms wouldn't it?


Also if you'll look at the bill of rights you'll notice that number 2 of 10 is the right to bear arms. Wheres the love?