Thread: Conservatives, which do you prefer?

I'm going to actually agree with this. Genuine, real principled Republicans would probably do what is best for the country, instead of simply saying "lower taxes,.....brainnnsss...." like the zombies we have now.

It would also enable Obama to actually DEAL with Congress. Right now he has this slim majority and a bunch of Democratic turncoats who realize they can hold the balance of power since the Republican minority can be relied upon to always vote no. They realize this givest them great power, and are using it to get premiums for their districts which willl guarantee them reelection.

I think I would prefer fiscal conservatives who realize the insane spending has to stop. All that's saving us right now are some Democrats who care about the country and the people in it. Sometimes people forget that not all Democrats are the left-wing fanatics. I would like to see a new caucus in Congress of moderate Republicans and Democrats.

I don't know about moderate Republicans. Moderate Democrats tend to be fiscal hawks. Their moderation generally is on social issues and spending. Republican moderates on the other hand tend to define moderation as favoring tax cuts, but also favoring spending, which is just an insane position. Charlie crist exemplifies the worst of this. His criticism of the health care bill was that he liked all the new spending, but hated all the taxes and spending cuts.

So the logical endpoint of Crist's position is that he would have voted to blow a $1 trillion hole in the deficit.

I thought we were done with the Republicans. What short memories we have.

Originally Posted by dblack

I thought we were done with the Republicans. What short memories we have.

Keep telling yourself that (until November)

I thought we were done with the Republicans. What short memories we have.

Not sure what else to do. All of the viable libertarians like the Pauls just run as Republicans, so the best approach for libertarians is to get libertarians to run in and win Republican primaries.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Keep telling yourself that (until November)

What do you mean? I'm not delusional. I realize we probably will get another sickening dose of Republicans. Then we'll swing back to the Democrats. Then back to the Republicans... Wash, rinse, repeat.

It's like watching a tag team wrestling match, where our nation is the loser every time.

Originally Posted by dblack

What do you mean? I'm not delusional. I realize we probably will get another sickening dose of Republicans. Then we'll swing back to the Democrats. Then back to the Republicans... Wash, rinse, repeat.

It's like watching a tag team wrestling match, where our nation is the loser every time.

Wow........we finally agree.

the problem with any political insurgency is it will inevitably be seen as leaning one way or another as in dem vs. rep. etc.....being a moderate means what exactly?

take some comments here so far; if tea party advocates get in and go along with tax cuts they are just rep./cons, if they get in and avoid or go along wiht social issues ala gay marriage, stem cell research etc. they are social democrats....


what is a real 'third party' party?


I personally feel that the majority of the country isn't so much tripped up by these issues, they want clarity, a plan and some honesty.

I have said this before and will make this example- as a con. fiscal and social I would still, realizing that I cannot have it all, trade a socially relaxed view but a more stringent fiscal one. Issues have to be prioritized, right now who really gives a shit if gay marriage goes forward, I am tired of wasting breath and energy on it, I want a plan to get us out of the fiscal binds we are in.

BUT if I then follow that up by saying keep the bush tax cuts and lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to say 25% I am a greedy rep/con.....and so it goes.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Keep telling yourself that (until November)

How much is it worth to the world to keep the USA functioning ?

What would a total USA collapse do to the world economy ?

What kind of trade off could be made ?

We will recover in any event, it's just that many will not live long enough.

Republicans have nothing to offer. Democrats are at least working on the problem. Those who have been "trickled on" will vote for a party ("tho far from perfect") that by numbers they feel part of.

God so loved the poor he made them a majority.

Originally Posted by skeptic1

How much is it worth to the world to keep the USA functioning ?

What would a total USA collapse do to the world economy ?

What kind of trade off could be made ?

We will recover in any event, it's just that many will not live long enough.

Republicans have nothing to offer. Democrats are at least working on the problem. Those who have been "trickled on" will vote for a party ("tho far from perfect") that by numbers they feel part of.

God so loved the poor he made them a majority.

"Democrats are at least working on the problem."

Sure. Unfortunately, they're working on making it worse.

Until both parties understand basic math, things will continue to get worse. We simply cannot continue to spend more than we have. It's unsustainable.

Matt

The Tea party is still a protest group, not a mature political party. They have a clear idea of what the government is not suppose to do, but not what it is.

But any movement that gets the GOP to stop acting like democrats is step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by dblack

What do you mean? I'm not delusional. I realize we probably will get another sickening dose of Republicans. Then we'll swing back to the Democrats. Then back to the Republicans... Wash, rinse, repeat.

It's like watching a tag team wrestling match, where our nation is the loser every time.

Ah, you understand the cycle of life. Next comes the food chain!