Thread: Were Sarah Palin’s Remarks Appropriate?

Originally Posted by countryboy

Are you a serious poster, or is this some kind of attempt at satire?

My suggestion that Palin would make a much better "reality show" or "TV series actress" than a candidate for Presidency is certainly no more of a satire than even the suggestion of having her considered as a "serious" presidential contender.

So. . .are you a serious poster, or is this some kind of attempt to satire?
Confused!

Originally Posted by countryboy

Are you a serious poster, or is this some kind of attempt at satire?

Make the case. Make the case that Sarah Palin has any qualifications to be president of anything more than "Sarah Palin, llc"?

Originally Posted by Sadanie

May I help you with this?

I had the choice to post either a link to Beck insulting Obama's daugher (but you probably would not have believed it. . .)
or to post the acknowledgement by BECK himself that he had insulted Obama's daughter. . .and his apologies for doing so,. . .

So, I thought you might (as usual) put more credence in the words of "the man" himself!

Glenn Beck Apologizes for Making Fun of Barack Obama's Daughter, Malia May 29, 2010 ... (May 29) -- Conservative talk show host Glenn Beck has apologized for a segment on his radio program in which he made fun of President ...
http://www.aolnews.com/.../glenn-bec...fun-of-obamas- daughter/ - Cached

Okay, well I had to look this up myself since you never took a minute to fix your broken link.

Once again, out of context bullshit from Liberal Media is all that Matters. Beck wasn't mocking the presidents daughter, he was mocking the president for using his daughter in a lame attempt to score political points. The president claimed his daughter had knocked on the bathroom door to ask him if he had "plugged the hole yet", in reference to the BP oil spill. Beck was simply pointing out how ridiculous this sounds (and it does) by using absurdity. Poor taste? Probably. But he did unnecessarily apologize for it. So what's the problem?

Do you really believe Malia Obama knocked on the bathroom door to ask B.O. if he had "plugged the hole yet"? I don't.....:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Make the case. Make the case that Sarah Palin has any qualifications to be president of anything more than "Sarah Palin, llc"?

I don't need to make the case of anything. I never said she is qualified to be president.

She is at least as qualified as B.O., but that's nothing to brag about.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Make the case. Make the case that Sarah Palin has any qualifications to be president of anything more than "Sarah Palin, llc"?

See, that's the thing. No one on the right will make that case, because that case doesn't exist. Libs seem to have some need for it to exist, but that means nothing.

She's not qualified to be President. Conservatives know this.

It's a mystery why libs aren't smart enough to figure it out, as well...

Originally Posted by countryboy

I don't need to make the case of anything. I never said she is qualified to be president.

She is at least as qualified as B.O., but that's nothing to brag about.

OK, make the case that she is as qualified as Barack Obama to be president.

Originally Posted by ConLib

There is no man so blind as he that will not see, nor so dull as he that will not understand. Proverbs. Hey, as I've said quite often, I'm pulling for Palin and hope she keeps up her rhetoric enough to be selected as GOP presidential candidate in 2012, by the extremest of the GOP and Tea Party.

That is only because you know that your guy is has done a shitty job and actually has a record to be used against him now. You know that your only chance is to have a horrible candidate run against him. It's pathetic.

It's also pathetic that you aren't man enough to admit that the people at fault for Palin's statements are your people.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

OK, make the case that she is as qualified as Barack Obama to be president.

Ummm, she has a pulse? She kin use big words like, purport?

Gimme a break dude, this has been hashed, and re-hashed. Try doing a search....

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I understand that it is your opinion, and I respect your right to your opinion.
But not your facts.

What "political agenda" might have been furthered by this massacre???

the ONLY agenda that most reasonable people on both sides of the aisle seemed to have (at least momentarely) agreed upon is to lower the inflammatory rethoric. . . .
The word "hate" is NOT in my vocabulary. It seems that it is in yours, however!

Shouldn't we both forget about "hate," and talk about "love" of our country???

The main political agenda is to get re-elected. If you can make your opponent look bad enough you can increase your chances of winning. That's it, plain and simple.

You also missed the the thread regarding an attempt to pass legislation to ban high capacity magazines.

HR 308 - Ban on possession or transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices"

Originally Posted by fishjoel

The main political agenda is to get re-elected. If you can make your opponent look bad enough you can increase your chances of winning. That's it, plain and simple.

You also missed the the thread regarding an attempt to pass legislation to ban high capacity magazines.

HR 308 - Ban on possession or transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices"

So, winning is everything. If you can get away with it and not be caught, peachy keen. Law means nothing. The ends justify the means. Machiavelli's advice to his Prince was correct.

That is how you see life?

Originally Posted by fishjoel

The main political agenda is to get re-elected. If you can make your opponent look bad enough you can increase your chances of winning. That's it, plain and simple.

You also missed the the thread regarding an attempt to pass legislation to ban high capacity magazines.

HR 308 - Ban on possession or transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices"

I would hardly call Palin, Beck, Hannity or O'Brien "opponents" for Presidential elections!
Anyway, they do a good enough job making themselves look bad without needing any help!

But you are just projecting the way the Right has been manoeuvering in an attempt to win the 2012 elections: discrediting Obama and trying to make him look bad even with half-truth or complete lies. But. . .it's not really working, now is it?

And. . .in spite of all the "doom and gloom" and the "warnings" that Obama would "try to take your 2nd amendment right away!" President Obama has NEVER even mentionned gun control and is not even too hot about others in the government mentionning it.

So. . .you may have to find a new spin on this!!!

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I totally agree with you. Her remarks and the timing of her remarks were not appropriate. Once again, Ms. Palin made an attempt to take center stage and to play the role of the victim, while she is most offend the aggressor.

She did not attempt to take center stage, she was forced onto center stage by left-wing bloggers, their compatriots on television and the print media who accused her of being complicit of murder. Neither her or Beck or Limbaugh or the Tea Party or anyone else should have ever been brought up in relation to the events in Tucson.

She had a chance to demonstrate responsibility and sensitivity over this issue. She failed miserably by playing the "blaming game" instead of recognizing that, unwitingly maybe, she may have been responsible of inflammatory rethoric that might have played into the mind of a sick young man.

Garbage and Wrong! There is absolutely no evidence that Loughner had ever visited Palin’s FaceBook page, watched a program featuring Palin, was in anyway politically motivated or influenced by any political rhetoric left or right. A friend of his reported on Good Morning America that Loughner "He did not watch TV, he disliked the news," Zach Osler said. "He didn't listen to political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he wasn't on the right." Tucson Shooting: Jared Loughner Stopped By Authorities Hours Before Shooting - ABC News

She may have called (as so many leaders in both parties have done) for a return to a more civil discourse. She chose not to do that.

:rolleyes: You can find the full text of Palin’s speech here: Full text of Sarah Palin's statement - - POLITICO.com Please read it since it is obvious that you have not nor watched her clip, and quote the specific lines that you find bothersome. To help you get started here are the first couple of paragraphs of her speech: “Like millions of Americans I learned of the tragic events in Arizona on Saturday, and my heart broke for the innocent victims. No words can fill the hole left by the death of an innocent, but we do mourn for the victims’ families as we express our sympathy. I agree with the sentiments shared yesterday at the beautiful Catholic Mass held in honor of the victims. The Mass will hopefully help begin a healing process for the families touched by this tragedy and for our country.

Our exceptional nation, so vibrant with ideas and the passionate exchange and debate of ideas, is a light to the rest of the world. Congresswoman Giffords and her constituents were exercising their right to exchange ideas that day, to celebrate our Republic’s core values and peacefully assemble to petition our government. It’s inexcusable and incomprehensible why a single evil man took the lives of peaceful citizens that day. There is a bittersweet irony that the strength of the American spirit shines brightest in times of tragedy. We saw that in Arizona. We saw the tenacity of those clinging to life, the compassion of those who kept the victims alive, and the heroism of those who overpowered a deranged gunman.”

Her choice of words just confirms what most people in America know, and ALL people around the world know: Ms Palin is totally incapable to lead a State, much less a country, and, obviously would NEVER be accepted among the world leaders!

Except that she has already capably led a state, taking on the leadership of her own Republican state party and if she were to be elected the world’s leaders would accept her. Her choice of words were appropriate considering the false and baseless accusations that were being made toward her.

Please, tell me, what would you do if you were falsely accused of being complicit of murder?

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I do watch Beck enough

I doubt that.

to KNOW

That is your belief, your opinion and from your words …

that he is very delusional and that he makes his living by throwing inflammatory comments, that he loves to stand before a Nazi "symbol of death," and to project his own feelings of hatred, racism, and fascination with Hitler onto President Obama.

:rolleyes: there is nothing I have seen that remotely indicates that you are an unbiased reporter with a clear and objective view of Beck or the American right. Yes, Beck can rant with anger for what he believes is being done to America and he can get all whimpery, but there is neither hatred in his heart or a racist bone in his body. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you claim someone else is engaging in projection.

Anyone who cannot bring up enough fairness to recognize this is either totally brainwashed or . . . has the IQ of a mashed potatoe!

So, if others do not accept your interpretation you deem them brainwashed or brain dead? Nice.

To quote myself: For those who are actually interested in what motivates people to commit an assassination or attempt to an interesting study was carried out by the Secrete Service and was published in 1999. http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ntac_jfs.pdf A report on the study by NPR, not known as an extremist right-wing media outlet, can be found here: Fame Through Assassination: A Secret Service Study : NPR. I would assert that Loughner fits the profile of the study above -- a loner with serious psychological problems who wanted recognition. I must point out that not all agree with the Secret Service study, http://fixatedthreat.com/pdfs/cbm%20...leID682620.pdf

tashi deleks,

M

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

it woulda been grand to mine them quotes from Redstate.com or Stormfront.org,

Just curious Mead. Do you really believe that Redstate.com and Stormfront.org equivalent sources or that I would be interested in what is featured or presented on Stormfront.org? I don’t like or consider Media Matters a reliable source, I consider Stormfront.org less of one.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

hail thee Mahasattva!

well me bucko, i'll actually amend meself.

i don't really think Glenn Beck be a racist, in much the same way that i don't think Stephen Broden or Sharon Angle wanted to slay people if the poll results in the last congressional election dissapointed them.

what Glenn Beck is (and this be just me own opinion, no media matters here matey), is an asshole, who joyfully plays to the lowest common denominator.

I respect your right to your opinion and generally while I may disagree with you on this and a few other issues (may be more than a few), I thoroughly enjoy your style and sense of humor.

if our president was a democrat from California, ye would hear an endless parade 'o smarmy remarks regardin' denizens from that state.

Actually Beck already has a couple routines about California, especially about San Fran and Berkeley, none of which has anything to do with federal officials.

if our president was a democrat from Boston, then Boston would be lampooned 24/7 by Mr. Beck.

I doubt it since he has expressed how much he likes Boston and if it wasn’t for the taxes would like to live there.

if our president was a democrat with a limp, well imma pretty sure we'd hear some rather tasteless things 'bout the handicapped.

That would never happen. One of his daughters has cerebral palsy. On a recent show he commented on one of his differences with Sarah Palin. Palin voiced great disapproval when Rahm Emanuel used the word “retard” to refer to liberal activists who were complaining that the White House wasn’t doing enough to get the Obama Health Care bill passed. Palin wanted Emanuel fired for his use of the word, which she does not approve of. Beck does not care for the word and believes it show insensitivity and ignorance on the part of those who use the term, but he does not want to censor anyone. Like me, he prefers that people are free to speak as they wish to. Political correctness or self-censorship does not mean those people stop thinking in that manner, it just means they are able to hide that kind of thinking.

and so on, and so forth.

the president, who be a democrat, happens to also to be black with an unusual name...

and Mr. Beck just picks up the club thats most convenient to him, so no, he may not really be a racist, if ye look at it that way.

I have never ever heard Beck make a racist comment. EVER. If I had I would not listen to him. All that has been provided as evidence that he has is a known left-wing website which was founded by Hillary and is funded by Soros. Beck is not a racist in any way you look at it -- unless you are looking through ideological filters.

ta do-ran-sha

And tashi deleks to you too,

M