Thread: Were Sarah Palin’s Remarks Appropriate?

Originally Posted by Mahasattva

:rolleyes: Not really. I am slightly miffed by the lies, but angry no.



No, the truth will set you free, though the process of coming to the truth can be painful.



Is complete and absolute garbage.



Yep, Beck said that. Right after Obama ignorantly and in a knee jerk reaction to the situation of Prof. Gates accused the police of acting stupidly. There was also the fact that Obama had sat in a racist church listening to a racist preacher for over 20 years. Beck also apologized for his statement without being forced.



That is your opinion. You are free to have and to express your opinion. Just as I am free to have my opinion and to …



express that I believe your’s is an ignorant “bullshit” opinion.



Well, you have expressed your hatred of Beck quite vocally. In fact, the only hatred I have seen on this thread has come from the left.



:rolleyes: This is one of the problems with web forum discussions. You cannot see my body language, or facial expression, nor hear my tone. You believe that I am having a tantrum since I have strongly stated my disagreement with what I consider are your ignorant biased and baseless assertions about Beck and Palin. In other words, you are attempting to silence any disagreement to your beliefs, which was the aim of those ignorant leftists who have attempted to shame Palin into silence for standing up to falsehoods made about her.



Garbage and bullshit. MediaMatters is trying to hurt Glenn Beck by taking his words out of context. The left-wing bloggers and their compatriots in television and print are trying to hurt Palin, the Tea Party, conservatives, Republicans (pretty much anyone who disagrees with liberal-Progressive policies) with the hopes and dream of silencing any opposition.

As I said before, you are a fraud. You make these baseless false accusations and you could not deliver any verifiable evidence to back it up. Another poster presents out of context quotes of Glenn collected by a known left-wing website, founded by Hillary and funded by Soros, and you believe some illusory points have been won. That is hilarious.

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I don't see those observations as "accusations" but as "observations!"
If you are right, and Glenn Beck (or Palin) doesn't really mean those comments to be inflammatory or racists. . .don't you think that maybe, they would have learn by now that MANY people do take those comments and the violent rethoric and the imagery as inflammatory or racist???

Wouldn't you think that, if they didn't accomplish exactly what they want with those comments, they would consider changing their approach to be "better understood?"

I know they are not THAT stupid as to continue doing something than doesn't get them the "image" they want to keep!

Originally Posted by countryboy

Okay, well I had to look this up myself since you never took a minute to fix your broken link.

Once again, out of context bullshit from Liberal Media is all that Matters. Beck wasn't mocking the presidents daughter, he was mocking the president for using his daughter in a lame attempt to score political points. The president claimed his daughter had knocked on the bathroom door to ask him if he had "plugged the hole yet", in reference to the BP oil spill. Beck was simply pointing out how ridiculous this sounds (and it does) by using absurdity. Poor taste? Probably. But he did unnecessarily apologize for it. So what's the problem?

Do you really believe Malia Obama knocked on the bathroom door to ask B.O. if he had "plugged the hole yet"? I don't.....:rolleyes:

I know a smart cookie like you could do it!!! It probably took you all of . . .what. . .10 seconds??? LOL!

Originally Posted by ConLib

Twist and spin it however you try, it's is very disingenuous of anyone to make Beck's remarks anything other than what they are.

The irony, since you go on to do just that right along with some of your other leftist friends on this thread.

He goes so low, so often, that making fun of a president's young daughter is just another tactic, and example of just how low he will go.

This is the problem of getting your information second hand from biased websites with an agenda (i.e. Media Matters). I did not hear this bit from Media Matters or on some edited YouTube clip. I heard Beck in full context on his show when he mocked the president and there was no mistaking that he was mocking the president.

Most radicals on both sides stay away from wives and offspring, Beck hasn't the brain power to use anything but hate and vile.

Project much? Yea, you do.

Even going back to the last administration, no one went after Laura Bush.

Yet Bush’s daughters were regularly made fun of and commented on during his time in office.

Although Beck and Palin weren't around when it was written, substituting their names for those in a book, perfectly describe their tactics and why the truly gullible portion buy into it. The book is "Bloodthirsty Bitches and Pious Pimps of Power", by Gary Pence. Beck perfectly falls into any of the 'Bloodthristy Bitches" area.

:rolleyes: Thus speaks the disingenuous one.

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Originally Posted by Mahasattva

The irony, since you go on to do just that right along with some of your other leftist friends on this thread.



This is the problem of getting your information second hand from biased websites with an agenda (i.e. Media Matters). I did not hear this bit from Media Matters or on some edited YouTube clip. I heard Beck in full context on his show when he mocked the president and there was no mistaking that he was mocking the president.



Project much? Yea, you do.



Yet Bush’s daughters were regularly made fun of and commented on during his time in office.



:rolleyes: Thus speaks the disingenuous one.

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It sounds like, even faced with reality, you will managed to see your favorites through rose color glasses.
And. . .I don't really blame you. . .because if, as you said, you heard that stupid, nasty comment directly from Beck in the context of his show that day. . .(I did as well, by the way), and you thought it was funny and appropriate. . .there is probably a very small nagging feeling that . . . there might be something missing (like empathy, maybe) or, on the contrary, something "blinding" (like callousness, maybe) in your make up. . .
And I wouldn't like that feeling either, so I do understand how you are motivated to fight against that self-knowledge!

Originally Posted by Mahasattva

Beck was making fun of Obama's idiotic and highly questionable claim that his daughter would actually ask if he had plug the hole yet. Beck was not making fun of Obama's child. Was it in bad taste to make fun of the president? Some may think so, others wont. I wonder how many of you on the left were bothered when so many regularly made fun of W. Bush or called Cheney names? I doubt any of you, since on the left there is nothing wrong with making fun of those who disagree with you.

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Hey, but at least the lefties didn't make fun of Bush's daughters.....or.....wait..... never mind. :rolleyes:

Okay, okay, but they definitely, without a doubt, DID NOT make fun of Palin's daugh.......oh crap.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I don't see those observations as "accusations" but as "observations!"

So no one in the left-wing media and no one on this thread has accused Beck (or Palin) of inflammatory rhetoric or have accused Beck of being a bigoted racist and a hater?

If you are right, and Glenn Beck (or Palin) doesn't really mean those comments to be inflammatory or racists. . .don't you think that maybe, they would have learn by now that MANY people do take those comments and the violent rethoric and the imagery as inflammatory or racist???

So its their fault that certain people have a problem with comprehension, or, more likely, certain people wish to take their words out of context and falsely attribute them as being inflammatory or racist?

Wouldn't you think that, if they didn't accomplish exactly what they want with those comments, they would consider changing their approach to be "better understood?"

:rolleyes: I understand that you have a problem interpreting their words and tend to project your own meaning onto them, and understand that many on the left seek to twist their words into meaning something they don’t, but most people do not suffer from this problem or have an agenda to seek out ways to marginalize and muzzle talk radio -- most people understand them just fine.

I know they are not THAT stupid as to continue doing something than doesn't get them the "image" they want to keep!

Your “image” of them is wholly your own and has nothing to do with their tone or their words. They are not at fault for the “image” you have projected onto them.

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Originally Posted by Sadanie

It sounds like, even faced with reality, you will managed to see your favorites through rose color glasses.

In other words, only if I agree and accept your interpretation, or at the very least remain silent, would you consider my view of reality objective and pure. Oh, how did that person put it, oh yes here it is:

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. . .but NOT to their own "facts!"

For the one or two reading, what follows is a common tactic of the left who wish to shame those who disagree with them into silence.

And. . .I don't really blame you. . .because if, as you said, you heard that stupid, nasty comment

So, it is stupid and nasty to mock the president? Mokay. I guess you haven’t read much history, since mocking the president has been pretty much an American tradition from its founding.

directly from Beck in the context of his show that day. . .(I did as well, by the way),

R i g h t :rolleyes: and I’m really supposed to believe you?

and you thought it was funny and appropriate. . .

Funny? His had funnier bits. Appropriate? Hmmm, so you think it was appropriate for the president to make up a story about his daughter to score political points? Mokay.

And dear reader here is where she feebly attempts to insult me, perhaps thinking that her opinion of me will shut me up or that I may reflect on her words as being something of depth, rather than a shallow and petty and very old tactic to malign the character of those who don't accept the leftist-Progressive dogma.

there is probably a very small nagging feeling that . . . there might be something missing (like empathy, maybe) or, on the contrary, something "blinding" (like callousness, maybe) in your make up. . .

Hmmm, let me check … nope no nagging feeling. Empathy is intact and operating at full capacity.

And I wouldn't like that feeling either, so I do understand how you are motivated to fight against that self-knowledge!

Ghee, what is it about leftists and projection. Oh, well, everyone must have a hobby.

Still waiting for you to point out those specific Palin words that you were so bothered by. Remember: You can find the full text of Palin’s speech here: Full text of Sarah Palin's statement - - POLITICO.com Please read it since it is obvious that you have not nor watched her clip, and quote the specific lines that you find bothersome. To help you get started here are the first two paragraphs of her speech: “Like millions of Americans I learned of the tragic events in Arizona on Saturday, and my heart broke for the innocent victims. No words can fill the hole left by the death of an innocent, but we do mourn for the victims’ families as we express our sympathy. I agree with the sentiments shared yesterday at the beautiful Catholic Mass held in honor of the victims. The Mass will hopefully help begin a healing process for the families touched by this tragedy and for our country.

Our exceptional nation, so vibrant with ideas and the passionate exchange and debate of ideas, is a light to the rest of the world. Congresswoman Giffords and her constituents were exercising their right to exchange ideas that day, to celebrate our Republic’s core values and peacefully assemble to petition our government. It’s inexcusable and incomprehensible why a single evil man took the lives of peaceful citizens that day. There is a bittersweet irony that the strength of the American spirit shines brightest in times of tragedy. We saw that in Arizona. We saw the tenacity of those clinging to life, the compassion of those who kept the victims alive, and the heroism of those who overpowered a deranged gunman.”

I know, I know, I’ll be waiting until hell freezes over.

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Originally Posted by Mahasattva

She did not attempt to take center stage, she was forced onto center stage by left-wing bloggers, their compatriots on television and the print media who accused her of being complicit of murder. Neither her or Beck or Limbaugh or the Tea Party or anyone else should have ever been brought up in relation to the events in Tucson.



Garbage and Wrong! There is absolutely no evidence that Loughner had ever visited Palin’s FaceBook page, watched a program featuring Palin, was in anyway politically motivated or influenced by any political rhetoric left or right. A friend of his reported on Good Morning America that Loughner "He did not watch TV, he disliked the news," Zach Osler said. "He didn't listen to political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he wasn't on the right." Tucson Shooting: Jared Loughner Stopped By Authorities Hours Before Shooting - ABC News



:rolleyes: You can find the full text of Palin’s speech here: Full text of Sarah Palin's statement - - POLITICO.com Please read it since it is obvious that you have not nor watched her clip, and quote the specific lines that you find bothersome. To help you get started here are the first couple of paragraphs of her speech: “Like millions of Americans I learned of the tragic events in Arizona on Saturday, and my heart broke for the innocent victims. No words can fill the hole left by the death of an innocent, but we do mourn for the victims’ families as we express our sympathy. I agree with the sentiments shared yesterday at the beautiful Catholic Mass held in honor of the victims. The Mass will hopefully help begin a healing process for the families touched by this tragedy and for our country.

Our exceptional nation, so vibrant with ideas and the passionate exchange and debate of ideas, is a light to the rest of the world. Congresswoman Giffords and her constituents were exercising their right to exchange ideas that day, to celebrate our Republic’s core values and peacefully assemble to petition our government. It’s inexcusable and incomprehensible why a single evil man took the lives of peaceful citizens that day. There is a bittersweet irony that the strength of the American spirit shines brightest in times of tragedy. We saw that in Arizona. We saw the tenacity of those clinging to life, the compassion of those who kept the victims alive, and the heroism of those who overpowered a deranged gunman.”



Except that she has already capably led a state, taking on the leadership of her own Republican state party and if she were to be elected the world’s leaders would accept her. Her choice of words were appropriate considering the false and baseless accusations that were being made toward her.

Please, tell me, what would you do if you were falsely accused of being complicit of murder?



I doubt that.



That is your belief, your opinion and from your words …



:rolleyes: there is nothing I have seen that remotely indicates that you are an unbiased reporter with a clear and objective view of Beck or the American right. Yes, Beck can rant with anger for what he believes is being done to America and he can get all whimpery, but there is neither hatred in his heart or a racist bone in his body. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before you claim someone else is engaging in projection.



So, if others do not accept your interpretation you deem them brainwashed or brain dead? Nice.

To quote myself: For those who are actually interested in what motivates people to commit an assassination or attempt to an interesting study was carried out by the Secrete Service and was published in 1999. http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ntac_jfs.pdf A report on the study by NPR, not known as an extremist right-wing media outlet, can be found here: Fame Through Assassination: A Secret Service Study : NPR. I would assert that Loughner fits the profile of the study above -- a loner with serious psychological problems who wanted recognition. I must point out that not all agree with the Secret Service study, http://fixatedthreat.com/pdfs/cbm%20...leID682620.pdf

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Since you are the one who adores and worships King Beck, I decided to do a little more research on him and I am having SUCH fun! I have not giggled out loud by myself in a long time! I typed on google "Glenn Beck Hate Speeches" and a TON of videos with him speaking came up. I watched them and he is SO funny!!! He starts to 'weep' in the midst of some incoherent speech he is making and puts his hand on his heart like a BAD actor and says' "I'm sorry but I just love my country so much" and starts to 'cry.'

Glenn Beck: "I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions" this was one of the tapes. He rambled on about how he hated them so much that he just wanted them to SHUT UP! And complained that we are only paying attention to New Orleans and all the "scumbags" (the blacks?) who are there. As opposed to helping the people in Mississippi. I laughed SO hard.
But, the ultimate...the ULTIMATE was his talking to some woman..Kathy someone...did not pat attention, but just type in "Glenn Beck loses his mind over Health Care." He began to SHRIEK like a mad dog. He screamed and yelled...and his voice got so loud...she said that some people could not afford health care and they needed help.
He went insane. Insane. Screaming like an hysterical woman..or THREE women...LOUD and CRAZY...lol. He finally told her in a HIGH SHRIEKING VOICE..'GET OFF MY PHONE...GET OFF MY PHONE." You can't miss this!!!! It is too good. Please go and listen to your God losing his mind...seriously, Beck has a problem. He really is unhinged. He is batty. Crazy. Nuts. Please go see the videos. Maybe even YOU will be embarrassed when you hear him screaming like a wild man...completely out of control. I am cruel, but I could not help but laugh. He is such a humiliation!!! lOL LOL LOL...funny.

Originally Posted by Crela2

Since you are the one who adores and worships King Beck, I decided to do a little more research on him and I am having SUCH fun! I have not giggled out loud by myself in a long time! I typed on google "Glenn Beck Hate Speeches" and a TON of videos with him speaking came up. I watched them and he is SO funny!!! He starts to 'weep' in the midst of some incoherent speech he is making and puts his hand on his heart like a BAD actor and says' "I'm sorry but I just love my country so much" and starts to 'cry.'

Glenn Beck: "I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions" this was one of the tapes. He rambled on about how he hated them so much that he just wanted them to SHUT UP! And complained that we are only paying attention to New Orleans and all the "scumbags" (the blacks?) who are there. As opposed to helping the people in Mississippi. I laughed SO hard.
But, the ultimate...the ULTIMATE was his talking to some woman..Kathy someone...did not pat attention, but just type in "Glenn Beck loses his mind over Health Care." He began to SHRIEK like a mad dog. He screamed and yelled...and his voice got so loud...she said that some people could not afford health care and they needed help.
He went insane. Insane. Screaming like an hysterical woman..or THREE women...LOUD and CRAZY...lol. He finally told her in a HIGH SHRIEKING VOICE..'GET OFF MY PHONE...GET OFF MY PHONE." You can't miss this!!!! It is too good. Please go and listen to your God losing his mind...seriously, Beck has a problem. He really is unhinged. He is batty. Crazy. Nuts. Please go see the videos. Maybe even YOU will be embarrassed when you hear him screaming like a wild man...completely out of control. I am cruel, but I could not help but laugh. He is such a humiliation!!! lOL LOL LOL...funny.

Got 'ny links?

Originally Posted by countryboy

Hey, but at least the lefties didn't make fun of Bush's daughters.....or.....wait..... never mind. :rolleyes:

Okay, okay, but they definitely, without a doubt, DID NOT make fun of Palin's daugh.......oh crap.

Nope, never happened. There was nothing to see, nothing to hear, nothing to comment on.

Don't you know, its only in bad taste to mock Democrat presidents. Mocking Republican presidents or candidates is such fair game and good sport that it extends to their children. There is nothing wrong with accusing conservatives of inciting roits or murder or claiming that Republicans want to kill all your babies. Such talk is only inappropriate if it is directed at liberal-Progressives.

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Originally Posted by Sunshine

Got 'ny links?

Caller Reduces Glenn Beck To High-Pitched Hissy Fit Jul 15, 2009 ... Suddenly, Beck was emitting horrifying high-pitched shrieks, wailing, .... http: //www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cdkang/caller-reduces-glenn- ...
Caller Reduces Glenn Beck To High-Pitched Hissy Fit - Cached - Similar

Originally Posted by Mahasattva

:rolleyes: Not really. I am slightly miffed by the lies, but angry no.



No, the truth will set you free, though the process of coming to the truth can be painful.



Is complete and absolute garbage.



Yep, Beck said that. Right after Obama ignorantly and in a knee jerk reaction to the situation of Prof. Gates accused the police of acting stupidly. There was also the fact that Obama had sat in a racist church listening to a racist preacher for over 20 years. Beck also apologized for his statement without being forced.



That is your opinion. You are free to have and to express your opinion. Just as I am free to have my opinion and to …



express that I believe your’s is an ignorant “bullshit” opinion.



Well, you have expressed your hatred of Beck quite vocally. In fact, the only hatred I have seen on this thread has come from the left.



:rolleyes: This is one of the problems with web forum discussions. You cannot see my body language, or facial expression, nor hear my tone. You believe that I am having a tantrum since I have strongly stated my disagreement with what I consider are your ignorant biased and baseless assertions about Beck and Palin. In other words, you are attempting to silence any disagreement to your beliefs, which was the aim of those ignorant leftists who have attempted to shame Palin into silence for standing up to falsehoods made about her.



Garbage and bullshit. MediaMatters is trying to hurt Glenn Beck by taking his words out of context. The left-wing bloggers and their compatriots in television and print are trying to hurt Palin, the Tea Party, conservatives, Republicans (pretty much anyone who disagrees with liberal-Progressive policies) with the hopes and dream of silencing any opposition.

As I said before, you are a fraud. You make these baseless false accusations and you could not deliver any verifiable evidence to back it up. Another poster presents out of context quotes of Glenn collected by a known left-wing website, founded by Hillary and funded by Soros, and you believe some illusory points have been won. That is hilarious.

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I have tried SO hard to get you to go to YOUTUBE and listen to this madman, but you simply will not do it. If you did, you would HAVE to admit that he is a loon. He is ill. I am beginning to feel sorry for him. He won't last long. He will have a breakdown. Now. Olberman is gone and for the best. Another over-the-top screamer and he was from the LEFT. The "horrible" left. But Keith was not as nutty as Glenn and Keith is out of control also. I am glad he is gone. He was an embarrassment to us. No matter WHICH party it is..you should not want loony, hysterical, unreasonable hate mongers who spout off such vile things that they DO cause violence, in my opinion. Keith is gone. Now, we need to get rid of Glenn. Palin? We can't get rid of her because she does not scream and shriek and say INSANE things most of the time. She is dumb. But she is NOT crazy. Mean, perhaps. Likes to shoot things. But crazy? No..she is not. Beck has to go. LOL LOL..I would miss the comedy, however. And O'Reilly? He CAN be reasonable at times. He also 'loses it' sometimes...as these nutty people on the Right tend to do.

Originally Posted by Crela2

Since you are ...

The rest is really a waste of time and largely your own projections that commenting on it isn't necessary. Everyone already knows and understands your personal opinion of Beck. You are free to have it. If you really find it necessary or worth your time and effort to watch out of context YouTube clips enjoy yourself. To paraphrase Jack Nicolson from one of his movies, "Go, sell crazy somewhere else, we're all full up here."

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