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When others were trying to calm down the political rhetoric, some were trying to escalate it. When some have apologized for hate filled speech, some try and justify theirs and others.
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Some four days after the tragic and largely inexplicable Tucson shooting massacre, Sarah Palin gave a response via video. However, instead of simply expressing condolences for the deaths and injuries caused by gunman Jared Lee Loughner, Palin had another agenda— to alleviate the blame placed on her party as a whole, and her in particular, for contributing to the type of hateful thinking which would lead one to commit a horrific act.
For many, however, this fact was completely lost in the grand scheme of things due the unfortunate term she used during the video—“blood libel.” (Interestingly enough, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was the target of Loughner’s treachery and his obsession, is Jewish.)
It is obvious Palin was not looking to evoke the historical meaning of the word, but using the term was bad enough for many (which I can understand, as I can think of a few terms she could have used to get me riled up, regardless of context).
She used the term in an attempt to defend right-wingers such as Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and other extreme right-wingers who have a tendency to use hate speech when referring to Democrats, especially President Obama.
In the video, she makes a few quite arguable claims. For one, she says political rivals usually end up coming together and compromising for the benefit of the country. I hate this overused phrase, but in this context it’s fitting: Where they do that at? Furthermore, she goes on to say that debates, while strongly passionate, end with mutual respect. I contend we haven’t seen such a debate in this country for quite some time.
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I'm not all that convinced by her rhetoric, but then I've never been a fan. I do sort of understand it - hell, we have a member here who actually contends that the tea party selected and trained Loughner to perform an "assassination"....
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President
Most certainly.Were Sarah Palin’s Remarks Appropriate?
Moderator
Oh fuck yes... 1000% more than Fullers were.Were Sarah Palin’s Remarks Appropriate?
Vice President
Yea, how dare Palin ever defend herself under any circumstances from irresponsible and factually wrong accusations!Originally Posted by ConLib
"No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
-- Patrick Henry
Moderator
That's right.
Liberals consider 'debate' as them telling us what they want us to know and we sit there and say nothing.
President
Secretary of Defense
It's an easy trap. Someone says something, another has to defend against it, then it escalates. Too bad, and even though you guys try and keep it on a level headed bases, this is, after all, politics. Defense mechanisms kick in when anyone in "MY" party gets bashed.
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Secretary of Defense
So, you can justify hate by showing someone else with hate? Why not just use and "Eye for and eye" justice system in the USA. Ya know, like the Hatfield and McCoy feuds of old.
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Vice President
Is the issue the appropriateness of the remarks, or of the timing? Nearly everyone agrees that her remarks were political remarks. As such the remarks are certainly appropriate.
The issue that I hear is that her timing was unfortunate. It was only 4 days after the killings, and everyone else is out there dealing with the grief, doing some healing, and trying to make some sense of it all, and here comes Sarah, attacking. Just waiting a few days would have made a big difference. imho
"There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
gibbering and raucous cries of victory may seem obnoxious in your ears
as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."
Moderator
I'm good with it...
Like your Lord and Master said: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun!"
Once again you prove my point: liberals consider 'debate' as them telling us how to think and what to do, and the right saying and doing nothing.
The left wing and the media (but I repeat myself) had been attacking Palin since day one, hour 2 of this tragedy and you don't think she should speak up?
Bullshit!
President
What sort of difference?
Vice President
Its like trying to explain a joke. If you have to explain it, don't bother, they'll never get it.
"There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
gibbering and raucous cries of victory may seem obnoxious in your ears
as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."
Moderator
(adjusting for the more civil tone)
I see your point... and would really like to agree with you.
However... Palin had been the subject of almost non-stop attacks since day one of this tragedy and needed to respond. She did so in a calm demeanor, didn't speak live (thus using her remarks to move a crowd) and did so in a relatively calm almost sedate presentation. I think that she did everything to not to 'stir things up'
Secretary of Defense
The big problem with using things like tweeter is, how many times did she have to do it before she got it the way her handlers wanted it done. While her "Blood Libil" comment might not be a big deal to some people, it is to others and will come back and bite her.
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