Thread: Christie: "I could win the White House"... Could he?

He's certainly got a better shot than a lot of other possible candidates.

I'd certainly prefer him over Palin or Huckabee.

I am not sure if he could take the white house, he may end up being more like Palin in polarizing himself away from the independent voters. Then again he seems to have a better shot than some already hinting at making a run, as Occam's Razor suggests.

I think he'll go the route that FDR took in '28.

Finish his term as governor and let the incumbent (and his party) muck things up for four more years.

Obama is Christie's Hoover.

If I were Christie I wouldn't take the chance of running against an incumbent who has proven he can GOTV for his elections even if most of that vote won't bother turning up for any election cycle in which he isn't running. As Obama goes, so goes the black/college kid/white liberal guilt /etc... vote.

If he hops into the race in 2012 and he loses, then he loses the governor's mansion and takes a really big risk being rendered an also-ran by the Obama machine.

If Christie can get NJ's run-away budget under control, which he apparently is VERY serious about doing, he'll be in a much better position is 2016 running against a Democrat who will probably not even begin to approach the appeal that Obama has as a result of things that aren't in any way related to the way he does his job.

As a citizen of NJ I'd also like to see the governor stick around a little bit longer. It's about time we've got a governor who isn't a closet homosexual cheating on his wife, a petty criminal, a lieutenant wearing the general's hat, a billionaire celebrity, or some other completly ineffectual goon.

Originally Posted by soot

I think he'll go the route that FDR took in '28.

Finish his term as governor and let the incumbent (and his party) muck things up for four more years.

Obama is Christie's Hoover.

If I were Christie I wouldn't take the chance of running against an incumbent who has proven he can GOTV for his elections even if most of that vote won't bother turning up for any election cycle in which he isn't running. As Obama goes, so goes the black/college kid/white liberal guilt /etc... vote.

If he hops into the race in 2012 and he loses, then he loses the governor's mansion and takes a really big risk being rendered an also-ran by the Obama machine.

If Christie can get NJ's run-away budget under control, which he apparently is VERY serious about doing, he'll be in a much better position is 2016 running against a Democrat who will probably not even begin to approach the appeal that Obama has as a result of things that aren't in any way related to the way he does his job.

As a citizen of NJ I'd also like to see the governor stick around a little bit longer. It's about time we've got a governor who isn't a closet homosexual cheating on his wife, a petty criminal, a lieutenant wearing the general's hat, a billionaire celebrity, or some other completly ineffectual goon.

I agree 100% NJ needs him right now.

Originally Posted by soot

I think he'll go the route that FDR took in '28.

Finish his term as governor and let the incumbent (and his party) muck things up for four more years.

Obama is Christie's Hoover.

If I were Christie I wouldn't take the chance of running against an incumbent who has proven he can GOTV for his elections even if most of that vote won't bother turning up for any election cycle in which he isn't running. As Obama goes, so goes the black/college kid/white liberal guilt /etc... vote.

If he hops into the race in 2012 and he loses, then he loses the governor's mansion and takes a really big risk being rendered an also-ran by the Obama machine.

If Christie can get NJ's run-away budget under control, which he apparently is VERY serious about doing, he'll be in a much better position is 2016 running against a Democrat who will probably not even begin to approach the appeal that Obama has as a result of things that aren't in any way related to the way he does his job.

As a citizen of NJ I'd also like to see the governor stick around a little bit longer. It's about time we've got a governor who isn't a closet homosexual cheating on his wife, a petty criminal, a lieutenant wearing the general's hat, a billionaire celebrity, or some other completly ineffectual goon.

I don't think we have that luxury, of time. It is, in all likelihood, already too late...but....if things don't change NOW....we face an economic future, not seen since the Middle Ages. As opposed to the Great Depression....which certainly struck us hard.....but, the unemployment rate only got to about 25% (hint...not really all that much worse than now.) Investors lost a lot...but there was still a lot of capital in the system.

What we have coming.....worse unemployment....and no capital (we are tapped.)

Things have to change.....YESTERDAY!!

Christie most defiantly can win. The math is there, even if he doesn't take NJ with him.

Couple him with a southern governor or some such (JEB Bush as VP gets real interesting at that point) and Christie becomes everything McCain was supposed to be... the straight talking maverick.

Christie is seeing what we are all seeing... the polling says there is no frontrunner, nobody is real exited about any of the names listed, and there is a door open for him. To put it another way... Christie is seeing in 2011 what Obama saw in 2007... without there being a Hilary between him and the nomination.

We'll have to see...

Originally Posted by tsquare

Christie most defiantly can win. The math is there, even if he doesn't take NJ with him.

I wouldn't bank on that happening though (or not heppening, I guess it would be).

The only think Jerseymen like more than a Democrat (these days) is a status symbol.

Putting "our" guy in the White House is something I think this state could get behind pretty easily.

Now if the Democrats ran Kanye West against Christie we'd have a pretty hot election cycle here in the Garden State...

Originally Posted by soot

I wouldn't bank on that happening though (or not heppening, I guess it would be).

The only think Jerseymen like more than a Democrat (these days) is a status symbol.

Putting "our" guy in the White House is something I think this state could get behind pretty easily.

Now if the Democrats ran Kanye West against Christie we'd have a pretty hot election cycle here in the Garden State...

Well if you are suggesting that Christie would take NJ, and Christie feels the same way... then hell yes he can win. Taking away NJ's 14 EV and with the 7 EV that moved from states Obama won in 2008, and Obama would start at 344 (365-21) and only 75 EV away from losing. For a Republican to win he/she must flip or move a total of 96 EV from Obama. This 21 EV would be 1/3 of what he/she would need... And Christie picks it up at the start.

That would make things very interesting... by my rough count, that would mean that Christie would only need to flip less than 800k votes in a handful of states to win.

Christie/Rubio? hrmm

Originally Posted by soot

If I were Christie I wouldn't take the chance of running against an incumbent who has proven he can GOTV for his elections even if most of that vote won't bother turning up for any election cycle in which he isn't running. As Obama goes, so goes the black/college kid/white liberal guilt /etc... vote.

Our nation is so polarized right now I don't think it will matter too much who each party runs, but Pres. Obama looks like a very weak candidate right now - to me anyway.

I don't particularly dislike him but any realist has to accept a large part of his success last time around was due to the extreme hatred of George Bush and the novelty of his skin color. He certainly wasn't running on his successes in the U.S. Senate, the Illinois State Senate, or the private sector. I just don't know how well a campaign of IT'S STILL BUSH'S FAULT will resonate with swing voters nor do I see the novelty of the first black POTUS getting out the vote in similar fashion. You're probably never in a good position when the black or college student vote is important to your success.

He really hasn't had too many successes this far into his presidency either and, as he appears content to let the GOP take the lead, I don't know how many more he'll actually have. It also doesn't help him any that he's still unwilling to take a definitive stance on many issues.

Your Dick Martin's, ConLib's, etc. are going to pull the lever for Obama no matter what but I think Chris Christie picks up the swing votes and Florida, New Jersey, and Ohio with it.

Originally Posted by soot

As a citizen of NJ I'd also like to see the governor stick around a little bit longer. It's about time we've got a governor who isn't a closet homosexual cheating on his wife, a petty criminal, a lieutenant wearing the general's hat, a billionaire celebrity, or some other completly ineffectual goon.

God bless New Jersey. It's the only state in the union which New Yorkers can favorably compare its governors to.

Didn't he say he could win the White House, but didn't feel that he personally was ready to be the President. Not unlike Barrack, who doesn't have a clue how to be a President.

ahoy and hail me friends!

as a fella who spent a good part 'o me life in New Jersey, i have a hard time imagin' how this buffoon would play out on a national stage.

his absolute dishonesty in how he frames the current morass the Garden State finds itself in could only thrive in a culture that hath no recollection 'o history...recent history at that.

this be how he describes unions and the ruin thar pension plans hath wrought;

One day after delivering his $29.4 billion budget proposal to the state Legislature, Christie went on the morning talk show circuit today, appearing on NBC’s “The Today Show” and then MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

Unions were a constant target, and Christie blamed them for layoffs, rising property taxes and the state’s underfunded pension system.

“We’re not trying to break the unions,” he said. “The unions are trying to break the middle class in New Jersey.”

Gov. Christie continues to point finger at public unions on morning talk show circuit | NJ.com

i think man be a joke...and he be sailin' with the wind at his back because he be shiny and new...a "rock star", aye. as his policies be scruntized, though, i think ye shall all see his profile fade.

already the Star Ledger hath been pillorin' him on thar editorial pages, somethin' that heartens me.

This budget address first and foremost serves Gov. Christie’s national political ambitions. Through the magic of accounting, he masked a modest year-over-year spending increase, thus preserving his image as a budget-cutter.

Direct property tax relief to middle-class homeowners is down 50 percent from 2009, while the wealthiest New Jerseyans continue to benefit from tax cuts. The governor is underfunding education by $2 billion and taking an ax to programs that help the poorest. He claims to be a paradigm of fiscal virtue but would underfund the state’s pension obligation by $3 billion.
By linking senior tax credits and pension payments to union concessions, he makes enemies of the old and the young, private- and public-sector workers, citizens and their government.

That strategy may make him popular in national tea party caucuses, but does little to help working families here.

Voices from around N.J. on the 2012 Christie budget | NJ.com

since most of ye haven't spent the bulk 'o yer adult lives in New Jersey, i wouldn't expect any of ye to be up to speed on how that state arrived to the morass it finds itself in; ye can follow the trail 'o breadcrumbs right to former Governor Christine Todd Whitman (r).

back when that lass was governor, the NJ state pension plans actually was runnin' a surplus, so what does she do? she followed the old GOP playbook and gave the denizens a nice tax cut and proceeded to underfund the pension plans till they reached the sorry condition it currently be in.

Whitman used as a campaign issue that she would lower state taxes by 10% per year for three years, a campaign promise she kept. Whitman successfully lowered income taxes in New Jersey.

However, the loss of state revenues created a long term revenue shortfall that could not be easily reversed and subsequent governors were unable to offset the huge cumulative revenue losses as well as interest accumulation. Such deficits were offset by bond issues that have a time bomb effect of the financial status of the state.

Christine Todd Whitman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i'd be curious to revisit Governor Christie a few years from now, aye i would.

we'll see if he still be the darlin' 'o the Garden State.

- MeadHallPirate

I hope he runs. The reich-wing just keeps getting reichier!