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Originally Posted by jviehe

These types of thread are why she shouldnt run for President. She will never be treated equally.

It is not about equality, it is about severe political polarization. If Palin somehow runs and gets the nomination she will hand the independent vote right over to the Obama camp. Something Obama's camp I am sure is currently working on getting back anyway in some regard, Palin running will accomplish that for them with little to no effort on their part.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

It is not about equality, it is about severe political polarization. If Palin somehow runs and gets the nomination she will hand the independent vote right over to the Obama camp. Something Obama's camp I am sure is currently working on getting back anyway in some regard, Palin running will accomplish that for them with little to no effort on their part.

Its only polarized because the parties and media make it that way. She has done nothing unusual to deserve the kind of demonization she gets, just like Bush didnt do anyting unusual to constantly be called a moron, or have his family attacked. Its just Palin Derangment Syndrome. She was never given a fair shake from the beginning because she was a woman, she didnt pander to the media, and she was a conservative. Thats just something conservative candidates have to accept, and why she shouldnt run. The media has typecast her.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Its only polarized because the parties and media make it that way. She has done nothing unusual to deserve the kind of demonization she gets, just like Bush didnt do anyting unusual to constantly be called a moron, or have his family attacked. Its just Palin Derangment Syndrome. She was never given a fair shake from the beginning because she was a woman, she didnt pander to the media, and she was a conservative. Thats just something conservative candidates have to accept, and why she shouldnt run. The media has typecast her.

Obviously my opinion of Sarah Palin (politically on the front of being able to win and why) differs from yours but on your statement it is no real shock at all that a center to somewhat left leaning media (depending on who we are talking about) is not giving a lean right candidate all that fair of a shake. Palin is not in an exclusive club on that front. No too sure it is because of Palin being a woman but can see in some respects how the media handle that well either. Rather, did not handle well the attacks she (and her kids) received. My issue with her, your media typecast aside for a moment, is there is little to no chance of her pulling in the independent vote. That is critical to the 2012 election season and Obama's camp is watching for it.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

It is not about equality, it is about severe political polarization. If Palin somehow runs and gets the nomination she will hand the independent vote right over to the Obama camp. Something Obama's camp I am sure is currently working on getting back anyway in some regard, Palin running will accomplish that for them with little to no effort on their part.

I completely disagree with your assessment. The election in 2012 will be about Obama and his record… now that he has one. And while it is too early to say this definitely… it would seem that this record will not be one he’s going to want to run on (4 more years of 8%plus unemployment, record deficits, etc)

To win the Republican need only to be ‘viable’ to be seen as an alternative.

Does Palin seem ‘viable’ today? No. That’s her challenge should she run.

Originally Posted by jviehe

Its only polarized because the parties and media make it that way. She has done nothing unusual to deserve the kind of demonization she gets, just like Bush didnt do anyting unusual to constantly be called a moron, or have his family attacked. Its just Palin Derangment Syndrome. She was never given a fair shake from the beginning because she was a woman, she didnt pander to the media, and she was a conservative. Thats just something conservative candidates have to accept, and why she shouldnt run. The media has typecast her.

Should she run… and it’s not clear* yet that she is running, she is showing with this weekend as a clear example that she knows to get her message out she must completely abandon the MSM and get her message to people by other means. Social media will figure large in this as will YouTube and talk radio.

If anything, she’ll run against the media as much or more than she will Obama.

*It has been pointed out that she has not only not hired staff for Iowa… it is thought that she hasn’t even interviewed. Iowa more than any other state, depends on a strong ground game. Right now she doesn’t have one. Like Obama with the economy it’s not yet too late for her in Iowa… but time does grow short.

Originally Posted by tsquare

I completely disagree with your assessment. The election in 2012 will be about Obama and his record… now that he has one. And while it is too early to say this definitely… it would seem that this record will not be one he’s going to want to run on (4 more years of 8%plus unemployment, record deficits, etc)

To win the Republican need only to be ‘viable’ to be seen as an alternative.

Does Palin seem ‘viable’ today? No. That’s her challenge should she run.

What I am saying is if Palin runs (again, and somehow pulls off the nomination as well) then watch how quickly the election in 2012 turn from being about the economy and Obama's record to being about Palin. Independents will probably go back to Obama and he will win in a landslide victory right into a 2nd term. A little early I agree but I just do not feel Palin has it in her to win over those not supporting her now. Palin has had her run in with the media (as we've been discussing here) and it appears that she just does not have it to change that opinion now. If she is the best the GOP can do to run up against Obama, his record, and the economy then the GOP just lost.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

What I am saying is if Palin runs (again, and somehow pulls off the nomination as well) then watch how quickly the election in 2012 turn from being about the economy and Obama's record to being about Palin. Independents will probably go back to Obama and he will win in a landslide victory right into a 2nd term. A little early I agree but I just do not feel Palin has it in her to win over those not supporting her now. Palin has had her run in with the media (as we've been discussing here) and it appears that she just does not have it to change that opinion now. If she is the best the GOP can do to run up against Obama, his record, and the economy then the GOP just lost.

If you think that she has not gotten better in… well… most everything, then there is a problem. And should that be the case, then she’ll never get the nomination so all this is moot.

But… if you think that she has, and has improved to the point that she gets through the interviews, and the debates and gets the nomination, and then can’t control enough of the massage (want to talk about my kids or how many other kids can’t get a job after collage?) Personally I’d bring Trig on stage at the first debate, hand him to Obama and tell him ‘you tell Trig I’m not his Mommy!’ Hopefully while Trig is reaching out to get to Palin. If the MSM tries to make this election about anything else than Obama and his record, there are ways to turn it back on them. Watching how she is handling herself now I’m sure that Palin knows this and is planning on it

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Obviously my opinion of Sarah Palin (politically on the front of being able to win and why) differs from yours but on your statement it is no real shock at all that a center to somewhat left leaning media (depending on who we are talking about) is not giving a lean right candidate all that fair of a shake. Palin is not in an exclusive club on that front. No too sure it is because of Palin being a woman but can see in some respects how the media handle that well either. Rather, did not handle well the attacks she (and her kids) received. My issue with her, your media typecast aside for a moment, is there is little to no chance of her pulling in the independent vote. That is critical to the 2012 election season and Obama's camp is watching for it.

And I think one of the reasons she cant get independant votes is because the DNC and the liberal mainstream media does not treat her equally. Similar to how any unsusual candidate is treated. The media decides what they are and sticks to their story. They are extremely superficial and rely on 10 second soundbites and then talking head debates. Im not saying anything not obvious.

Originally Posted by jviehe

And I think one of the reasons she cant get independant votes is because the DNC and the liberal mainstream media does not treat her equally. Similar to how any unsusual candidate is treated.

I know that blaming the media is de rigeuer in Republican circles, but you have it completely backward. Palin has been created and sustained by a media that is absolutely enthralled by her.

Think about it: She is a failed V.P. candidate who quit halfway into her first term as governor... and the media treats her as a credible political figure. FNC gives her a platform; TLC gives her a reality show; the media hang on her every word; her tweets and facebook posts make headlines and national news... and serious political figures are required to respond to them. Heck, CNN ran a banner yesterday referring to her "Historic Bus Tour." Have you ever heard of such a thing?

If she were treated "equally" she'd already be a distant memory.

They are extremely superficial and rely on 10 second soundbites and then talking head debates. Im not saying anything not obvious.

You are correct that the media is superficial. What you don't seem to realize is that it is this very superficiality that has made the Palin phenomenon possible.

Originally Posted by AdamKadmon

If she were treated "equally" she'd already be a distant memory.

Indeed. If she were like most other failed Vice Presidential candidates, we certainly wouldn't be discussing her here... she'd be a distant memory at this point.

Originally Posted by Jefe

Indeed. If she were like most other failed Vice Presidential candidates, we certainly wouldn't be discussing her here... she'd be a distant memory at this point.

Oh... you mean like Al Gore!

Originally Posted by tsquare

Oh... you mean like Al Gore!

See, he was actually a Vice President for two terms, unlike Palin.

Quick, who was Al Gore's running mate for the 2000 elections? I actually can't remember right now (without googling it)..















just googled it, it was Leiberman.. could have sworn he was Kerry's running mate, but it turns out that was Edwards, doh.. My point it, the running mate of whoever lost the election is usually forgotten about fairly quickly. Not so with Palin.

What is your actual role in government if you are VP? Basically nothing.

1) Just hope that the president dies and you become president.

2) In the odd chance that there is a tie vote in the Senate you can cast the tiebreaking vote.

3) Misdirect alot of enemy fire.

Sarah Palin is like a train wreck. Everyone wants to see it. That does not mean we elect train wrecks to be President.