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    About All Those Palin Emails…

    Yup… all 24,000 (or 25,000 or 27,000... I've seen different numbers given) of ‘em. While I’m sure that even with their army of ‘thousands’ of ‘activists’ pouring over them… well… let’s let the New York Times tell us:

    In the three years since Sarah Palin stormed the national political stage, her brief tenure as governor of Alaska has often been reduced to caricature. Critics cast her as petty, preoccupied and disengaged. Supporters say she was a maverick reformer, a salt-of-the-earth true believer who bucked the establishment elite.

    Yet what is clear in the 24,000 pages of her e-mails released Friday — completing Ms. Palin’s transformation from one of the most obscure politicians in America to one of the most scrutinized — is that her governing style was not necessarily an either-or proposition. Sometimes she seemed to be everything all at once.

    She sought to be an encouraging leader one moment, lauding her team for a breakthrough on oil production: “You guys are doing awesome.” She could be distrustful and accusatory the next: “I can’t handle staffer leaks.” She would focus on the progress of substantive legislation, including supporting a major increase in oil taxes, but then become distracted by “un-flippin believable” criticism directed at her by a popular radio host.

    Winning the governorship here as a what-you-see-is-what-you-get hockey mom from Wasilla, she won fans for her promises to break with politics as usual. But, the e-mails show, she nonetheless went on to rely on standard statehouse fare like ghost-written Op-Eds and supportive letters to the editor, even prodding staff to flood online opinion polls to influence results. She was also, in the years before her national emergence, more open to compromise and political dealing than her more recent image suggests.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/us...n.html?_r=1&hp

    The Politico said it even better…

    She was hands-on and averse to partisan politics. She championed openness in government and had normal relations with the media. She was a little starstruck by her interactions with national politicians but unafraid to do battle with the chief executives of the world’s largest oil companies.

    The emails from her governorship, released Friday, brought back the memory of a long-lost Palin: the popular, charismatic, competent woman of the people.

    This was the vice presidential candidate John McCain’s team thought they were getting, before her darker tendencies — defensiveness, thin skin, grudge-keeping — hardened into tics. Together with the newly released, pro-Palin documentary “The Undefeated,” which focuses on her rise to the spotlight, the emails are reminders of a sympathetic figure who was not yet the brittle, divisive caricature Palin has become.

    The Palin that emerges from the first cut at nearly 25,000 emails released by the state of Alaska Friday is touchingly authentic, responding to the news she’s been tapped for the national ticket with the words, “Can you flippinbelieveit?!”

    She comes across as practical and not doctrinaire, as when she explains at length to an aide, early in her term, why she opposes a bear hunt in a wildlife preserve: “I am a hunter. I grew up hunting — some of my best memories growing up are of hunting with my dad to help feel (sic) our freezer… I want Alaskans to have access to wildlife… BUT — he’s asking if I support hunting the bears in the sanctuary? No, I don’ t … Many Alaskan and Outside visitors view these animals on the McNeil river, within the sanctuary, and, as my parents have reported back after their viewing trip, it’s a once-in-a-lifetime experience to see such beauty on that river.”

    Far from being a knee-jerk partisan, she praises then-Sen. Barack Obama for his energy ideas — “pretty cool,” even though he is the “wrong candidate.” She derides the Republican establishment just weeks before being picked for the ticket, writing, “we need to remember the GOP, for the most part … especially the AK machine … has not had any support or assistance provided our administration so our time and efforts will continue to be spent on serving Alaskans, not party politics.”

    If critics were hoping to see Palin revealed as a hypocrite, they’re out of luck. Her private statements are in line with her public ones when it comes to issues like Troopergate, the ethics scandal in which she was accused of abusing her authority to punish her sister’s ex-husband. Her emails on the matter fulminate against what she insists are false accusations, maintaining the same consistent defense — that Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was fired for performance, not personal, reasons.
    Palin comes across as neither an airhead nor a prima donna. She is warm and supportive with her staff, who are loyal to her in turn. She frequently misspells in haste or phonetically (“nonsensicle” for “nonsensical”), but her writing is fluent and grammatical.

    Nor is she a figurehead. She is active in guiding policy, a self-assured politician who knows where she stands. When she feels she’s been left out of the loop on responding to a disaster, she’s adamant — “someone from Homeland Security/Emergency Management needs to call me and inform me on things like this … I insist on being informed during any situation where the public would feel any person could be in danger.”
    Long-lost Sarah Palin surfaces in emails - Molly Ball - POLITICO.com

    That almost reads like a campaign piece...

    Looks like one of them ‘witch hunts’ that so many here decry as ‘cheapening the process’ and ‘taking away from the important issues.’

    Oh and FYI: emails and records from Barack Obama’s terms as State Senator and his two years as US Senator have yet to be released.

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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    And the Palin Derangement Syndrome continues on....
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Whatever they do find will most likely not compare all that much to Weiner's twitter activity. But it was amusing to see all the networks and press working so hard to dig up whatever they can find.
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
    Yup… all 24,000 (or 25,000 or 27,000... I've seen different numbers given) of ‘em. While I’m sure that even with their army of ‘thousands’ of ‘activists’ pouring over them… well… let’s let the New York Times tell us:

    Long-lost Sarah Palin surfaces in emails - Molly Ball - POLITICO.com

    That almost reads like a campaign piece...

    Looks like one of them ‘witch hunts’ that so many here decry as ‘cheapening the process’ and ‘taking away from the important issues.’
    ahoy Tsquare,

    thanks fer the quote from Politico, matey. i find it kinda comfortin', fer it shows a different, less ideological side 'o Mrs. Palin, and it sorta confirms what i been sayin' all along.

    that her partisan extremity be more 'o a well thought out business plan. in that respect, she be a pretty smart swabby.

    kudos to her, the lass hath done well fer herself.

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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate View Post
    ahoy Tsquare,

    thanks fer the quote from Politico, matey. i find it kinda comfortin', fer it shows a different, less ideological side 'o Mrs. Palin, and it sorta confirms what i been sayin' all along.

    that her partisan extremity be more 'o a well thought out business plan. in that respect, she be a pretty smart swabby.

    kudos to her, the lass hath done well fer herself.

    - MeadHallPirate
    Or maybe she wasn't particularly partisan before because she hadn't been exposed to the underbelly of the liberal hate machine. I don't think there is a single person who could be attacked as much as she is and not develop a high level of bitterness towards political opponents.
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    Or maybe she wasn't particularly partisan before because she hadn't been exposed to the underbelly of the liberal hate machine. I don't think there is a single person who could be attacked as much as she is and not develop a high level of bitterness towards political opponents.
    Do you believe Obama has a high level of bitterness? Surely you are not suggesting that the birther movement and the other crap that has been slung about Obama is in some way lesser than comments concerning Palin?
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    Do you believe Obama has a high level of bitterness? Surely you are not suggesting that the birther movement and the other crap that has been slung about Obama is in some way lesser than comments concerning Palin?
    It absolutely is...

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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    Or maybe she wasn't particularly partisan before because she hadn't been exposed to the underbelly of the liberal hate machine. I don't think there is a single person who could be attacked as much as she is and not develop a high level of bitterness towards political opponents.
    ahoy Fishjoel,

    if yer sayin' that bitterness and a sense 'o vengeance be what hath turned Mrs. Palin into a partisan hack, i guess that be one way 'o lookin' at it...i guess i just give the lass far more credit than that. i just think she be a pretty sharp businesswoman and be knowin' how to pursue the phenomenon that be called "branding".

    i don't think Mrs. Palin be ruled by bitterness. a bitter person would not go on SNL, whar she was routinely mocked, to participate in a skit...anymore than Al Sharpton would accept an invitation to a Tea Party event.

    also, i still be mystified by all this resentment o'er how the "liberal" media treats the GOP. i think this kinda thing really be o'erstated.

    the top political radio show in the nation be Mr. Limbaugh's program.

    the top cable news station be FOX.

    the top newspaper be the Wall Street Journal.

    "liberal media", in general, be a minor player in the grand scheme 'o things. the dominant mainstream media that reigns o'er our great and christian land be conservative media...and by that reckonin', the mainstream media treated Mrs. Palin rather tenderly, i'd say.

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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
    Oh and FYI: emails and records from Barack Obama’s terms as State Senator and his two years as US Senator have yet to be released.
    And they shouldn't be. Yet.

    However, once he no longer holds public office, they most certainly should release them (after having blacked out the Top Secret stuff, of course). My opinion is that all communications done via a public e-mail address of any elected official is in the public´s interest to know about.

    Once that person no longer holds office, like Sarah Palin, the records most certainly should become public. Doesn´t matter what party you belong to. Might also give some people pause to think on what they´re using their accounts for
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
    Yup… all 24,000 (or 25,000 or 27,000... I've seen different numbers given) of ‘em. While I’m sure that even with their army of ‘thousands’ of ‘activists’ pouring over them… well… let’s let the New York Times tell us:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/us...n.html?_r=1&hp

    The Politico said it even better…



    Long-lost Sarah Palin surfaces in emails - Molly Ball - POLITICO.com

    That almost reads like a campaign piece...

    Looks like one of them ‘witch hunts’ that so many here decry as ‘cheapening the process’ and ‘taking away from the important issues.’

    Oh and FYI: emails and records from Barack Obama’s terms as State Senator and his two years as US Senator have yet to be released.
    Watched the "journalist" from MSNBC said they requested them to properly vett this unknown entity in the 2008 election..... He then said it took longer to get them than she was a governor.... Yet of course they have not vetted Obama period and carry his water for him but its blue water so that is okydoky!

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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Oh my gods, who fucking cares? Can we just find a new soccer mom to obsess over?
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Oh my gods, who fucking cares? Can we just find a new soccer mom to obsess over?
    the liberal media cares............

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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakkasan View Post
    the liberal media cares............
    I'd believe that if the media was actually liberal...
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    Re: About All Those Palin Emails…

    Quote Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate View Post
    ahoy Tsquare,

    thanks fer the quote from Politico, matey. i find it kinda comfortin', fer it shows a different, less ideological side 'o Mrs. Palin, and it sorta confirms what i been sayin' all along.

    that her partisan extremity be more 'o a well thought out business plan. in that respect, she be a pretty smart swabby.

    kudos to her, the lass hath done well fer herself.

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