Thread: Which way excluded Conservatives

Originally Posted by michael h

Many conservatives are working class employees. I worked in a plant with about 1500 employees, of which (no survey) I would estimate 60% were conservative Republicans. A large portion had high school education at best.

As manufacturing plants have closed, employees like these have been displaced and face the likelihood of a lower paying job.

My feeling for the most part is that our choices of conservative or liberal viewpoints are ingrained through environment and genetics. I see these conservatives as unlikely to change their conservative viewpoints.

Do any here feel that conservatives who feel excluded from prosperity, would alter their conservative views to the left or even further to the right?

No.

As you point out, one's economic status is rarely sufficient to alter one's political leanings. Possible exception could be if a person's economic status changed and they, for some weird reason, blamed their party for it.

I am not sure I can speak much to your experience but more suggest that may not be the norm just because it happened to be your experience. Which by your own admitance is based on assumptions. Before becoming an investor myself I was a COO for a medical billing office software development company, rather small with around 220 employees at its best year. I would offer that the majority of the management staff was conservative in lean with the majority of the "working class" (your term) being liberal in lean. Now the owner of the company at the time happened to be more independent but still a lean to liberal. Just about everyone else in the management staff would often speak about politics with an overwelming lean conservative. That does not make my experience the norm any more than yours, you I am sure follow. Just means that happened to be my experience, as you have your own.

The biggest issue with your questions is the basis is convictions on political lean vs. your economic conditions. It also assumes a great deal in you already giving away your own position on only asking of conservatives to play your game. It does not matter if you ask the question to liberals or conservatives phrased as if to suggest your economic position would be better by either flipping sides or going more extreme in lean than you already are. It still means changing your lean (or degree) in an effort to concede that some other way leads to prosperity. No real assurance that is the case given the difference in our experiences in the work place as the basis for your questions. It leaves me with answering "no" as the questions themselves are flawed in assumptions (even in basis) of improving one's position of "prosperity" by political lean changes being the answer.

Originally Posted by Good1

No.

As you point out, one's economic status is rarely sufficient to alter one's political leanings. Possible exception could be if a person's economic status changed and they, for some weird reason, blamed their party for it.

I remember a few liberal / Democratic friends becoming more conservative over time, as I felt I did also. But I agree with you. Depending on which party was blamed ... I felt it might cause a smaller reaction to being more conservative or a little more liberal, but not a sweeping change.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I am not sure I can speak much to your experience but more suggest that may not be the norm just because it happened to be your experience. Which by your own admitance is based on assumptions. Before becoming an investor myself I was a COO for a medical billing office software development company, rather small with around 220 employees at its best year. I would offer that the majority of the management staff was conservative in lean with the majority of the "working class" (your term) being liberal in lean. Now the owner of the company at the time happened to be more independent but still a lean to liberal. Just about everyone else in the management staff would often speak about politics with an overwelming lean conservative. That does not make my experience the norm any more than yours, you I am sure follow. Just means that happened to be my experience, as you have your own.

The biggest issue with your questions is the basis is convictions on political lean vs. your economic conditions. It also assumes a great deal in you already giving away your own position on only asking of conservatives to play your game. It does not matter if you ask the question to liberals or conservatives phrased as if to suggest your economic position would be better by either flipping sides or going more extreme in lean than you already are. It still means changing your lean (or degree) in an effort to concede that some other way leads to prosperity. No real assurance that is the case given the difference in our experiences in the work place as the basis for your questions. It leaves me with answering "no" as the questions themselves are flawed in assumptions (even in basis) of improving one's position of "prosperity" by political lean changes being the answer.

The question is not directed to conservatives (directed to posters). The employees I referenced were hourly workers ... well paid hourly workers. I should have been clearer.

Had the economy been prospering at this point, my question would have been from a liberal reference. As stated in my previous post, I felt my viewpoints became more conservative over time.

Add: Do any here feel that conservatives who feel excluded from prosperity, would alter their conservative views to the left or even further to the right?

Originally Posted by michael h

Many conservatives are working class employees. I worked in a plant with about 1500 employees, of which (no survey) I would estimate 60% were conservative Republicans. A large portion had high school education at best.

As manufacturing plants have closed, employees like these have been displaced and face the likelihood of a lower paying job.

My feeling for the most part is that our choices of conservative or liberal viewpoints are ingrained through environment and genetics. I see these conservatives as unlikely to change their conservative viewpoints.

Do any here feel that conservatives who feel excluded from prosperity, would alter their conservative views to the left or even further to the right?

It's funny really that your observation is directly contrasted by exit polling from elections, the poorest, and least educated overwhelmingly vote...Democratic.

As far as economics goes, most people who make their money off the taxpayer are going to be Democrats. People who make their money any other way will usually be Republicans.

Originally Posted by adaher

As far as economics goes, most people who make their money off the taxpayer are going to be Democrats. People who make their money any other way will usually be Republicans.

tell that to the farmers on welfare from the govt. with subsidies and all the corporations that get govt. welfare in the form of grants, fellowships, low interest loans and subsidies for products the do and do not produce, and also tax credits for hiring socially disadvantaged people. yeah only leaches on the govt. dole vote democrat. Talk about being misinformed, biased, biggotted, and myopic, gheesh

Originally Posted by Moonglow

tell that to the farmers on welfare from the govt. with subsidies and all the corporations that get govt. welfare in the form of grants, fellowships, low interest loans and subsidies for products the do and do not produce, and also tax credits for hiring socially disadvantaged people. yeah only leaches on the govt. dole vote democrat. Talk about being misinformed, biased, biggotted, and myopic, gheesh

I see where Rick Perry, Republican from Texas, who is planning to secede from the Union if he can't have his way, is whining about needing more money to buy brooms to beat down grass fires in Texas, because poor lil ole Texas can't handle a few grass fires

Originally Posted by adaher

As far as economics goes, most people who make their money off the taxpayer are going to be Democrats. People who make their money any other way will usually be Republicans.

People who inherit money are overwhelmingly conservative (Richard Mellon Scaife, the Walton Family, the 17 families that financed the "Death Tax Repeal" Campaign), people who make it big on their own are overwhelmingly liberal (Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros).
The most educated portion of the electorate will be overwhelmingly Liberal.
As well as the least educated, which is a function of the GOP adopting racism as an election strategy.

Politics can be inherited, people tend to vote the way their parents voted.
Big changes can and do occur, there are major defining events, that can tilt the electorate one way or the other. But mostly it's a play for those in the middle who shift with the breeze.

Almost anyone will change their party loyalty if the economics are extreme, every country in the world is three missed meals away from revolution.

gppber l iove =how you keep putting you foot in your mouth.
george soros stole his money he didnt earn it. the waltons earned their money, but you beng a liberal belives that when hte parents work hard the gov should take all the money and they live off of the gov.
as for you next commen tbaout how the best educated ae liberal that is also bs but something liberals like to ell each other. you say that so you can dismiss any idea that is not put out by liberal it goers like this well becasue liberals are the smartest and best eucated people in teh worlds we know that any idea that is not a liebral on is wrong becasue we are smarter and better educated. has nothign to do with facts just the liberals lack of honesty.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

I see where Rick Perry, Republican from Texas, who is planning to secede from the Union if he can't have his way, is whining about needing more money to buy brooms to beat down grass fires in Texas, because poor lil ole Texas can't handle a few grass fires

I was born and raised in OKC. I know personally of how Texans act, they are a loathing bunch of braggarts that are good at puffing out their chest and claim that Texas doesn't need the USA, USA needs Texas.
But Texas has never gained that ability to function without the help of the US.

Originally Posted by sailorman126

gppber l iove =how you keep putting you foot in your mouth.
george soros stole his money he didnt earn it. the waltons earned their money, but you beng a liberal belives that when hte parents work hard the gov should take all the money and they live off of the gov.
as for you next commen tbaout how the best educated ae liberal that is also bs but something liberals like to ell each other. you say that so you can dismiss any idea that is not put out by liberal it goers like this well becasue liberals are the smartest and best eucated people in teh worlds we know that any idea that is not a liebral on is wrong becasue we are smarter and better educated. has nothign to do with facts just the liberals lack of honesty.

From whom did Soros steal his money fro?. I believe he invested it and did well on currency exchange.
I can tell your uneducated by the usage of the English language. It has nothing to do with party affiliation, it has to do with self discipline and knowledge.
Honesty again has nothing to do with party affiliation or relifion, it has to do with personal integrity.

Originally Posted by Good1

No.

As you point out, one's economic status is rarely sufficient to alter one's political leanings. Possible exception could be if a person's economic status changed and they, for some weird reason, blamed their party for it.

I changed party affiliation after the man I voted for gave us a nice tax increase. his name was Ronald Reagan(Old Dutch). I have never voted republican again.