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Wow...
Dare we say that this is a harbinger of things to come?
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Secretary of Defense
Wow, If republicans take this seat it would be amazing..
Democrats registrations are like 3-1 in thsi district...
wow...
Republican Bob Turner holds a six-point lead in next week's special election to replace disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., according to a new Siena College poll released early Friday that shows voters in the overwhelmingly Democratic district are poised to deliver a stinging rebuke to President Obama and his party.
Turner leads Democratic Assemblyman David Weprin in the poll, 50 percent to 44 percent. Six percent of likely voters in the Sept. 13th election are undecided.
Poll: Republicans On Verge Of Shocking NYC Upset - Hotline On Call
Amazing stufff....
So what do dems do?? Well compare him to a terrorist of course!!!
Anti-Bob Turner Ad Featuring Airplane Ominously Buzzing Manhattan: Slightly Terrorist-y? | The New York Observer
scumbags..
Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?
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NEW YORK CITY!?!
Wow...
Dare we say that this is a harbinger of things to come?
Secretary of Defense
This is not just in NYC, because as we know republicans can win in parts of NYC this is part of NYC where republicans dont win..
Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?
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Easy to explain. Part of this is a backlash to Weiner, of course. But a good chunk of it is a statement on Owebama. As a special election, though, it is rather meaningless. People are more willing to gamble with their vote and step outside of traditional voting patterns when it doesn't change the government.
"Any fool can make a rule. And every fool will mind it." Henry David Thoreau
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This is what happens when you stab Israel in the back.
Secretary of Defense
How so ?Originally Posted by Commodore
Laws are purchased-Justice with blood.
Secretary of Defense
Nah. You gotta remember the paradox of the liberal Jew -- they're willing to overlook liberal hatred of Israel and, in some cases, also hate Israel and stand with Palestine. It's a semi-complicated issue, but trust me, if they voted based on Israel they wouldn't be Democrats.
Secretary of State
This is representative Weiner's district who recently resigned. A very heavy liberal district of Brooklyn and Queens district--which has given us Charlie Schumer.
And Democrats are very concerned that if a Republican can win here--they can win anywhere.
This coming Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2011 is the election in this district. One to keep an eye on anyway.
moreA Turner victory would be an ominous sign for Democrats and President Obamas re-election campaign, as the district, which spans Brooklyn and Queens, is filled with the kind of white, middle-class, usually reliable Democratic voters that the president needs in his corner to get re-elected.
But the poll found voters in the district are down on the president, and the direction of the country.
Forty-three percent have a favorable opinion of Obama, while 54 percent have an unfavorable opinion, according to the poll. Nineteen percent believe the U.S. is on the right track, while 74 percent say the country is on the wrong track. Both sets of numbers are largely unchanged from a month ago.
What has changed is the voters views of the candidates: Weprins unfavorable ratings shot up, to 41 percent, from 24 percent a month ago. And by a 43-32 percent margin, likely voters say Turner is running the more positive campaign
Its a perfect storm for Turner and the Republicans, said Steven Greenberg, a spokesman for the Siena Research Institute.
Sensing the seat could be slipping away, the national Democratic Party has begun pouring money into the race including a $500,000 infusion this week from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Even if Weprin can pull out a victory, it is still an enormous expenditure in an election Democrats once believed was a lock.
With the possibility of a monumental upset now within reach, the Republican National Committee answered with an email appeal this afternoon seeking donations, saying the money was needed because the Obama Democrats just put $500,000 into the race to defeat Bob Turner and keep this seat in their liberal hands.
We have a strong conservative candidate in Bob Turner who has the opportunity to win a congressional seat in the heart of New York City, party Chairman Reince Priebus wrote in the email. He is facing a career politician who will vote in lockstep with Nancy Pelosi in support of Barack Obamas failed economic policies.
GOP Challenger Pulls Ahead in Race for Weiner’s Spot - ABC News
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I take it you're stating there are a lot of Jews that live in this district?
President
Special House races don't usually tell us anything. BTW, for those who want money out of politics, this is their race. There's been no TV advertising, no radio advertising, because NYC is just too expensive to do that kind of campaigning.
The result? No turnout. Somehow I don't think this is the result that campaign finance reformers were looking for.
Secretary of State
Well judging from the article I just read the DNC is throwing 500K at this district to the democrat candidate so they can save this seat.
There is definitely some panic going on--just scroll up to my last post and click on the link.
There are a lot of democrats running for reelection in 2012--and if they lose this seat--they'll be running from Barack Obama's policies as fast as they can.
President
$500,000 won't do much in that district. There might be some TV ads in the last few days, but it won't come fast enough to save turnout.
Personally, I like low turnout elections. If 20% turn out when there's no TV advertising and 50% turn out when there is, that means the majority of voters are basing their decision on 30-second ads. Not good. I prefer the judgment of the 20% who know about the election because they actually follow what's going on.
And mind you, I'm not an advocate for campaign finance reform. One of the ironies of the issue is that those who favor it most don't realize it's against the interests of the party they support. George Bush was no idiot. He signed McCain-Feingold because he knew it would help his side.
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All that may be true. This personally is what disturbs me about this race:
In Race for Weiner's Seat, $75,000 From Foes of Same-Sex Marriage - NYTimes.comSeptember 7, 2011, 5:05 PM
In Race for Weiner’s Seat, $75,000 From Foes of Same-Sex Marriage
By THOMAS KAPLAN
After the New York State Legislature voted in June to allow gay couples to wed, opposition groups vowed that they would make trouble for lawmakers who supported the marriage bill the next time they had to face the voters.
On Wednesday, the National Organization for Marriage said it would spend $75,000 to help defeat Assemblyman David I. Weprin, the Democratic candidate in the special election to replace former Representative Anthony D. Weiner.
The organization disclosed in a filing with the Federal Election Commission on Tuesday that it spent $26,000 on direct-mail advertising in opposition to Mr. Weprin, who voted in favor of the marriage bill, and $19,000 in support of his Republican opponent, Bob Turner, who opposes same-sex marriage.
Brian S. Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, said in a telephone interview that the group planned to spend more money, about $30,000, on automated phone calls, additional mailings and get-out-the-vote efforts before the election, scheduled for Tuesday.
“David Weprin made a terrible mistake when he voted for same-sex marriage,” Mr. Brown said, “and I think his community is going to hold him accountable.”
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Dov Hikind won't support Weprin for Weiner seat - NYPOST.comHikind: I'll nix Weprin over nups
May back Republican
By CARL CAMPANILE
Last Updated: 2:57 AM, August 23, 2011
Posted: 2:12 AM, August 23, 2011
A prominent Orthodox Jewish Democratic lawmaker says he won't back fellow Dem David Weprin's candidacy -- and hinted he'll even cross party lines to endorse Republican Bob Turner in the Sept. 13 special election to replace disgraced ex-Rep. Anthony Weiner.
"I will not support David Weprin," said Brooklyn state Assemblyman Dov Hikind, particularly objecting to Weprin's outspoken support of gay marriage. Weprin and Hikind serve together in the Assembly. And Weprin, like Hikind, is an Orthodox Jew.
Hikind, who represents neighborhoods on the Brooklyn side of the Queens-Brooklyn congressional district, criticized Weprin for citing his religion in voting for the gay-marriage law in June.
"Weprin basically used his Jewish orthodoxy to say gay marriage is OK. He used his orthodoxy to say gay marriage is kosher. That crossed the line," Hikind said. . . .
Orthodox David Weprin Faces Backlash in Orthodox Community Over Gay Marriage Rhetoric
A GOP group even brought out a Holocaust survivor to stick up for Turner here, and there is a huge backlash in this district filled with Conservative and Orthodox Jews on the gay marriage issue and gay rights for that matter.
Yet, this is what happened just within a month ago:
Last Known Gay Holocaust Survivor Dies at 98 - Lez Get Real | Lez Get RealLast Known Gay Holocaust Survivor Dies at 98
Written by: Lez Get Real News Staff on August 4, 2011.
8/4/11 by LGR World News Staff
Rudolf Brazda, believed to be the last surviving person who was sent to a Nazi concentration camp because of his homosexuality, has died at 98 in France.
Brazda was born in 1913 in the central state of Thuringia to Czech parents, the youngest of eight siblings.
In 1934, Nazi Germany elevated that country’s notorious anti-gay Paragraph 175 to a felony and declared homosexuality to be an aberration that threatened the German race. The Nazis then convicted some 50,000 homosexuals as criminals. An estimated 10,000 to 15,000 gay men were deported to concentration camps, where few survived.
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I'm neither gay nor Jewish personally, although some of my blood and affinity relatives are both gay and/or Jewish (a pride in Ireland I have that it had little anti-Semitism), one carrying a surname (Leufer, who CowboyTed of this site knows personally) that survives only in Ireland due to their relatives in Treiberg, Germany, being wiped out in the Holocaust.
To see Jews here who have obviously opposed the Holocaust or Christian attempts to force Jews to experience public school prayer or other establishment of religion to punish a fellow Jew who knows how to separate church (synagogue in this case) and state against a fellow group that was thrown into the very same concentration camps for abuse and extermination with a Pink Triangle along with all the Jewish starred condemned, is IMO so absolutely shameful that it makes me sick to even think about it. It's always easy to find reasons to kick other people, and Jews of all people ought to know that.
As a person with many moderate to conservative views of the traditional Goldwater style (of Jewish blood himself) IMO it is absolutely shameful to witness what I'm seeing happen in that district. That's not conservative IMO..it's just bigotry.
Are these the same alleged 'liberal' or should I say 'conveniently liberal Jews' who have opposed Christian prayer in public schools citing First Amendment grounds, oppression of the Jews overall, etc, and then pull an 'et tu Brutae' on the gays who sat in Auschwitz with them, et al? Or how about the famous Salomon Perel of the famous story Hitlerjunge Salomon a/k/a film Europa, Europa, who survived in part thanks to a gay German soldier hiding himself in the closet like Salomon as a fellow oppressed person who befriended him rather than expose him?
I'm sure that this cheap win in critical part due to bigotry will please those who care more about party and/or sticking it to the gays, but it will not bode well for what makes IMO this country strong in the end and what our future generations will write about us the same way they write about past oppressive issues.
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