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» VA GOP Changed Ballot Access Rules Last Month - Big GovernmentThere are currently many news stories and blog discussions about the Virginia presidential primary ballot access law. Some large blogs, such as Red State, have over 300 comments about the story. Some defend the current Virginia ballot access laws on the grounds that in past presidential elections, a fairly large number of Republican presidential primary candidates managed to qualify.
But what has not been reported is that in the only other presidential primaries in which Virginia required 10,000 signatures (2000, 2004, and 2008) the signatures were not checked. Any candidate who submitted at least 10,000 raw signatures, on notarized sheets, and which had at least 400 signatures from each U.S. House district, was put on the ballot. In 2000, five Republicans qualified: George Bush, John McCain, Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, and Steve Forbes. In 2004 there was no Republican primary in Virginia. In 2008, six Republicans qualified: John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani, and Fred Thompson (an earlier version of this post erroneously said Alan Keyes qualified in 2008, but he only qualified in 2000).
The only reason the Virginia Republican Party checked the signatures for validity for the current primary is that in October 2011, an independent candidate for the legislature, Michael Osborne, sued the Virginia Republican Party because it did not check petitions for its own members, when they submitted primary petitions. Osborne had no trouble getting the needed 125 valid signatures for his own independent candidacy, but he charged that his Republican opponent’s primary petition had never been checked, and that if it had been, that opponent would not have qualified. The lawsuit, Osborne v Boyles, cl 11-520-00, was filed in Bristol County Circuit Court. It was filed too late to be heard before the election, but is still pending. The effect of the lawsuit was to persuade the Republican Party to start checking petitions. If the Republican Party had not changed that policy, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry would be on the 2012 ballot.
The Democratic Party of Virginia has been opposed to the strict law on primary ballot access, and has been in the habit of collecting signatures for all Democratic presidential candidates recognized by the party. In 2008, the state party collected 7,300 signatures for all its candidates, thus easing the burden on them and requiring them to collect only 4,000 to 5,000 on their own.
NOW it finally makes sense. I kept wondering why so many GOP Presidential candidates had NO trouble getting on the primary ballot in Virginia in past Presidential cycles--and this year--6 out of 8 have been eliminated off of Virginia's primary ballot. It's all over a law suit filed by an independent candidate for the state legislature because he filed a law suit--back on October 11th--2011---
To the State GOP in the State of Virginia--I can honestly say--you guys deserve the "butterfly ballot award"--for this one--LOL
Right now--we do not know if any of the GOP Presidential candidates in years 2004 or 2008 would have qualified for their primary ballot.
That's why they deserve the butterfly ballot award.
Last edited by Oreo; 12-29-2011 at 10:49 AM.
They started enforcing their own effing laws in October because of that other case, and that's why the state Republican party went out of their way to notify and impress upon the candidates to get their acts together.
Only two candidates took that advice to heart, while Perry and Gingrich waited until the week they had to file to get their shit together.
You can't just change laws from one day to the next because two idiots didn't bother to do their homework.
More voter fraud uncovered, where IDs wouldn't have made a bit of difference..
And shame on Gingrich, Perry, et al for counting on voter fraud to get them on the ballot.
The wise candidate collects a lot of extra signatures, because there are always people signing the forms who aren't registered....
Gingrich complaining about this is like telling a cop who stops you for speeding, " I always do 90 on this road, there's never a cop here"
Last edited by goober; 12-29-2011 at 02:04 PM.
You can get one or two candidates to blow it on any primary--BUT you show me where one state eliminated 6 out of 8 Presidential candidates in the history of our nation--and I'll eat my hat. This law suit was in October of 2011--well into the primary season--and Virginia puts out a warning--OH guys--guess what we're going to enforce our 2004 regulations now????---
This is the FAULT of the GOP in the state of Virginia for
1. Making it too difficult--too expensive--too time consuming--for GOP candidates to qualify.
2. Being STUPID enough not to enforce their own primary election laws until after they got sued into doing it.
3. Not changing their primary ballot regulations within the last 8 years to actually MATCH what they were doing over the last 8 years.
Last edited by Oreo; 12-29-2011 at 06:49 PM.
Perry had over 10,000 required signatures but then many got thrown out. What do you call that? Isn't this the impetus for many kinds of voter I.D. laws?
How does anyone collecting signatures for a petition know who they're talking too? I like to see you stand in front of a store--and try and GUESS which people are eligible to sign petitions--and which ones are not--LOL
You know, I truly wonder Oreo:
Would you be making this much of a fuss over this VA ballot stuff if Ron Paul had not collected enough valid signatures in time and had been left off the ballot?
I bet not, in fact you'd post a thread saying "see Paul is unelectable and so disorganized he can't even get 10,000 valid signatures".
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies"
Yes--because I know there would have been a lot of Ron Paul supporters that wouldn't have been able to vote for him. Our elections are supposed to be FAIR and each and every individual in this country deserves the right to vote for the candidate of their choice--regardless of anyone--including my opinion--of that candidate. And when we have GOP or DNC state committees--that start eliminating candidates who have been in the primaries--who have gone through the debates--because of absurd state regulations--then this country has some very serious problems going on.
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies"