Thread: Virginia changed ballot access rules--last month--over law suit

Originally Posted by Oreo

» VA GOP Changed Ballot Access Rules Last Month - Big Government

NOW it finally makes sense. I kept wondering why so many GOP Presidential candidates had NO trouble getting on the primary ballot in Virginia in past Presidential cycles--and this year--6 out of 8 have been eliminated off of Virginia's primary ballot. It's all over a law suit filed by an independent candidate for the state legislature because he filed a law suit--back on October 11th--2011---

To the State GOP in the State of Virginia--I can honestly say--you guys deserve the "butterfly ballot award"--for this one--LOL

Do you even care if your posts are coherent? The lawsuit was filed because Republicans had previously allowed probable fraud. Now they checked the signatures, found that Perry and Gingrich had engaged in probable fraud, and got their ballots thrown out. This is a story that makes Perry and Gingrich look worse not better.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Do you even care if your posts are coherent? The lawsuit was filed because Republicans had previously allowed probable fraud. Now they checked the signatures, found that Perry and Gingrich had engaged in probable fraud, and got their ballots thrown out. This is a story that makes Perry and Gingrich look worse not better.

The point is that Virginia's state GOP cooked up a pot of stew in 2004--didn't enforce their new regulations-over the last 8 years or during the past two election Presidential primary cycles--and now because of a law suit in October of this year (2011)--have disenfranchised thousands of voters in the pot they cooked up. I imagine they ignored their own new regulations--knowing full well that they went overboard with them--instead of changing them.

Right now--we do not know if any of the GOP Presidential candidates in years 2004 or 2008 would have qualified for their primary ballot.

That's why they deserve the butterfly ballot award.

Originally Posted by Oreo

The point is that Virginia's state GOP cooked up a pot of stew in 2004--didn't enforce their new regulations-over the last 8 years or during the past two election Presidential primary cycles--and now because of a law suit in October of this year (2011)--have disenfranchised thousands of voters in the pot they cooked up. I imagine they ignored their own new regulations--knowing full well that they went overboard with them--instead of changing them.

Right now--we do not know if any of the GOP Presidential candidates in years 2004 or 2008 would have qualified for their primary ballot.

That's why they deserve the butterfly ballot award.

No, the point is that Republicans say that all things gov't are bad, and then they inexplicably try to get elected so they can prove that point to the rest of us.

They started enforcing their own effing laws in October because of that other case, and that's why the state Republican party went out of their way to notify and impress upon the candidates to get their acts together.

Only two candidates took that advice to heart, while Perry and Gingrich waited until the week they had to file to get their shit together.

Tough shit.

You can't just change laws from one day to the next because two idiots didn't bother to do their homework.

More voter fraud uncovered, where IDs wouldn't have made a bit of difference..

And shame on Gingrich, Perry, et al for counting on voter fraud to get them on the ballot.

The wise candidate collects a lot of extra signatures, because there are always people signing the forms who aren't registered....

Gingrich complaining about this is like telling a cop who stops you for speeding, " I always do 90 on this road, there's never a cop here"

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

No, the point is that Republicans say that all things gov't are bad, and then they inexplicably try to get elected so they can prove that point to the rest of us.

They started enforcing their own effing laws in October because of that other case, and that's why the state Republican party went out of their way to notify and impress upon the candidates to get their acts together.

Only two candidates took that advice to heart, while Perry and Gingrich waited until the week they had to file to get their shit together.

Tough shit.

You can't just change laws from one day to the next because two idiots didn't bother to do their homework.

You can get one or two candidates to blow it on any primary--BUT you show me where one state eliminated 6 out of 8 Presidential candidates in the history of our nation--and I'll eat my hat. This law suit was in October of 2011--well into the primary season--and Virginia puts out a warning--OH guys--guess what we're going to enforce our 2004 regulations now????---

This is the FAULT of the GOP in the state of Virginia for

1. Making it too difficult--too expensive--too time consuming--for GOP candidates to qualify.
2. Being STUPID enough not to enforce their own primary election laws until after they got sued into doing it.
3. Not changing their primary ballot regulations within the last 8 years to actually MATCH what they were doing over the last 8 years.

Originally Posted by Oreo

You can get one or two candidates to blow it on any primary--BUT you show me where one state eliminated 6 out of 8 Presidential candidates in the history of our nation--and I'll eat my hat. This law suit was in October of 2011--well into the primary season--and Virginia puts out a warning--OH guys--guess what we're going to enforce our 2004 regulations now????---

This is the FAULT of the GOP in the state of Virginia for

1. Making it too difficult--too expensive--too time consuming--for GOP candidates to qualify.
2. Being STUPID enough not to enforce their own primary election laws until after they got sued into doing it.
3. Not changing their primary ballot regulations within the last 8 years to actually MATCH what they were doing over the last 8 years.

Gingrich and Perry were trying to engage in voter fraud. That's the issue here and no matter how you spin it, those facts are not going to change.

Originally Posted by goober

More voter fraud uncovered, where IDs wouldn't have made a bit of difference..

And shame on Gingrich, Perry, et al for counting on voter fraud to get them on the ballot.

The wise candidate collects a lot of extra signatures, because there are always people signing the forms who aren't registered....

Gingrich complaining about this is like telling a cop who stops you for speeding, " I always do 90 on this road, there's never a cop here"

Goober--your side of the isle has it's own problems with primary ballots too--maybe you should focus on some of those.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Gingrich and Perry were trying to engage in voter fraud. That's the issue here and no matter how you spin it, those facts are not going to change.

Link to Perry engaging in voter fraud? Gingrich openly admitted that one of his campaign staff in Virginia forged some signatures and he fired that person over it.

Perry had over 10,000 required signatures but then many got thrown out. What do you call that? Isn't this the impetus for many kinds of voter I.D. laws?

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Perry had over 10,000 required signatures but then many got thrown out. What do you call that? Isn't this the impetus for many kinds of voter I.D. laws?

It's more like idiots that sign petitions that are not supposed to. They don't know if they're registered voters--they don't know if they're registered democrats or republicans--they sign petitions--and then later get booted--and thereby get the candidate booted off of the ballot also. They may have moved--don't notify election boards and get booted for that also.

How does anyone collecting signatures for a petition know who they're talking too? I like to see you stand in front of a store--and try and GUESS which people are eligible to sign petitions--and which ones are not--LOL

Originally Posted by Oreo

It's more like idiots that sign petitions that are not supposed to. They don't know if they're registered voters--they don't know if they're registered democrats or republicans--they sign petitions--and then later get booted--and thereby get the candidate booted off of the ballot also. They may have moved--don't notify election boards and get booted for that also.

How does anyone collecting signatures for a petition know who they're talking too? I like to see you stand in front of a store--and try and GUESS which people are eligible to sign petitions--and which ones are not--LOL

Exactly, they don't know. The more likely scenario is that somebody on Perry's staff was registering names and getting paid by the signature. So they registered a bunch of fake names to get paid more and defraud the government. This IS Perry we're talking about.

You know, I truly wonder Oreo:

Would you be making this much of a fuss over this VA ballot stuff if Ron Paul had not collected enough valid signatures in time and had been left off the ballot?

I bet not, in fact you'd post a thread saying "see Paul is unelectable and so disorganized he can't even get 10,000 valid signatures".

Originally Posted by ericams2786

You know, I truly wonder Oreo:

Would you be making this much of a fuss over this VA ballot stuff if Ron Paul had not collected enough valid signatures in time and had been left off the ballot?

I bet not, in fact you'd post a thread saying "see Paul is unelectable and so disorganized he can't even get 10,000 valid signatures".

Yes--because I know there would have been a lot of Ron Paul supporters that wouldn't have been able to vote for him. Our elections are supposed to be FAIR and each and every individual in this country deserves the right to vote for the candidate of their choice--regardless of anyone--including my opinion--of that candidate. And when we have GOP or DNC state committees--that start eliminating candidates who have been in the primaries--who have gone through the debates--because of absurd state regulations--then this country has some very serious problems going on.