Thread: WI Recall of Gov. Walker Produces 1 MILLION Signatures

As for the 1 million signatures…

I’d like to think the interlopers will be excluded from actual Wisconsin votes. The worst part of the zombie apocalypse is that in the vicinity of Chicago, they will vote and vote often.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Actually it is union busting politics that was the root cause, financed by people like the Koch brothers and the Bradley Foundation, two families who were the co-founders of the far right wing John Birch Society.

I suggest you do some reading, because as bad as it is this year for Wisconsin Public schools, Walker has limited their ability to raise funds, so the future is even more bleak.

If educating our children is not important to you, what is important to you Amielle?

Sorry, my nieces are home-schooled. My father was a college professor. I grew up in both public and private schools. Please don't "suggest I do some reading" to learn about education. This thread is not about education, please start one.

Believe it or not, (as you just suggested), people can learn without it being from a public teacher who belongs to a union. To think that the teachers' union had no influence on this measure is naïve.

Originally Posted by Haplo

Taking your simple and straightforward analysis of marginal utility as the basis for taxation is wrong, in that it doesn't take into account the effects of capital investment.

Liberals will sometimes say things like, "poor people spend money more efficiently than rich people." What they're getting at, (through their Keynesian-colored glasses) is that money in a poor person's pocket is spent more readily and thus stimulates the economy faster. But they're ignoring the value of investment here.

A rich person has less need to consume, and so a significant portion of his earnings goes into investment, to create capital. This capital then creates better, cheaper products for everyone. So, the poor person derives some utility from the rich person having more money than him.

It's a tradeoff between investment and consumption. We don't want to tax rich people out of existence because that would leave us with an entirely consumption-based economy that goes no where in the short-term, and backwards in the long-term, as our current infrastructure deteriorates. Simply saying that, per dollar, money isn't as valuable to a rich person ignores the fact that we are all interconnected in the economy, and my wealth can directly affect your wealth.

Therefore, that is not a good way to devise tax laws.

I would never say that being poor is a cakewalk, but poor people today are much better off than they used to be. And this is thanks mostly to capital investment, creating quality, low-cost products that even the poorest of Americans can usually afford.

Poverty in America.

Tax increases or tax decreases on the very wealthy have no effect on the level of investment.
Decrease taxes on the wealthy and they will invest more, but the state must borrow more, exactly offsetting the additional investment.
Even if the state is running a surplus, a tax decrease in the wealthy will reduce the amount of debt redeemed, and reduce the amount added to the investment pool by redemption by the exact amount of the tax decrease.
Heritage is a propaganda mill, they don't do economic analysis, they do propaganda

Originally Posted by Amielle

As for the 1 million signatures…

I’d like to think the interlopers will be excluded from actual Wisconsin votes. The worst part of the zombie apocalypse is that in the vicinity of Chicago, they will vote and vote often.

Again you expose your ignorance. The 'interlopers' are the ones funding and running Walker's campaign. Last Tuesday when citizens were delivering over one million signatures on recall petitions seeking his ouster from the Statehouse, Walker made himself disappear.

Instead of staying in Wisconsin to face a fed up electorate that wants to make him only the third governor ever recalled from office, he vanished to New York City for a fundraiser hosted by the deep-pocketed founder of AIG, who after taking taxpayer bailout money, left in disgrace. Walker even refused to talk to Wisconsin reporters, preferring instead to gab with Rush Limbaugh, FOX National and the like.


Walker also applied his disappearing act to his state budget -- or more precisely to the balance he brags about in his TV ads. Since last June, Walker has repeatedly crowed to the press about how he has balanced Wisconsin's budget (by slashing education, dropping health care and gutting collective bargaining rights, while giving away more than $2 billion in tax cuts breaks and loopholes to big corporations and the wealthy).

Walker was getting away with his "I balanced the budget" illusion until he wanted to drop health care for tens of thousands of Wisconsin families.

Federal law requires states that want to trim Medicaid enrollment to certify they have a budget deficit. That's pretty hard to do in Wisconsin, where our constitution requires a balanced budget from every governor.

But not one to let federal rules or the facts get in his way, Walker quietly pulled out his magic wand to deal with his sticky problem.

Just before New Year's Eve, without any press conferences or news releases, Walker's top lieutenant sent a letter to federal health secretary Kathleen Sebelius verifying that Wisconsin has a budget deficit through June 30, 2013.

"Poof!" Walker made his balanced budget disappear, solely so he could drop health care for Wisconsin families.

In case you were wondering, the TV ads are still saying that he balanced the budget.

With a budget the Walker administration now says isn't balanced, they can now try to dodge a federal law requiring it to continue providing health care for up to 53,000 residents.

Here's what's going on behind the curtain: Walker is using one set of accounting rules for his campaign and another set of rules when he wants to drop people off of health insurance.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Again you expose your ignorance.

Guess what. I take offense. Belittle me to strengthen your point?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Last Tuesday

Huffington Post quote. Won't read it, sorry.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

fed up electorate

Thus, let the voters decide.

By the way, do you live in Wisconsin? If not, you make my interloper point.

Originally Posted by Amielle

Sorry, my nieces are home-schooled. My father was a college professor. I grew up in both public and private schools. Please don't "suggest I do some reading" to learn about education. This thread is not about education, please start one.

Believe it or not, (as you just suggested), people can learn without it being from a public teacher who belongs to a union. To think that the teachers' union had no influence on this measure is naïve.

Save your bluster for someone else. If you want to get into a debate with me, go for it, and we'll see who is educated and who isn't.

There is no doubt the teacher's union was an influence, Walker admitted so in his phone conversation with who he thought was David Koch. Maybe you just 'missed' hearing about that conversation. I will provide the part where he admits his plan is union busting...

WALKER: Ya. Well thanks. This is an exciting time. This is, you know, I told my cabinet, I had a dinner the Sunday, excuse me, Monday right after the 6th, came home from the Super Bowl where the Packer’s won, that Monday night, I had all my cabinet over to the residence for dinner. Talked about what we were going to do, how we were going to do it, we had already kind of doped plans up, but it was kind of a last hurrah, before we dropped the bomb and I stood up and I pulled out a, a picture of Ronald Regan and I said you know this may seem a little melodramatic but 30 years ago Ronald Regan whose 100th birthday we just celebrated the day before um had one of the most defining moments of his political career, not just his presidency, when he fired the air traffic controllers...

Originally Posted by Amielle

Guess what. I take offense. Belittle me to strengthen your point?



Huffington Post quote. Won't read it, sorry.



Thus, let the voters decide.

By the way, do you live in Wisconsin? If not, you make my interloper point.

Do I have to live in Wisconsin to have an opinion on Wisconsin? It seems you have an opinion on Wisconsin, but live in Kentucky.

You are really showing your true colors, and it is not very flattering. What else won't you read? What are you afraid of; WORDS? Or is it fear of anything that doesn't adhere to your dogma?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Save your bluster for someone else. If you want to get into a debate with me, go for it, and we'll see who is educated and who isn't.

Shall I bow before the self-appointed intellectual? The “One Wisconsin Now” whatever will be ignored because it is a partisan article. You seem Koch hungry, don’t care. Make a decent argument and I will oblige.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Do I have to live in Wisconsin to have an opinion on Wisconsin? It seems you have an opinion on Wisconsin, but live in Kentucky.

You are really showing your true colors, and it is not very flattering. What else won't you read? What are you afraid of; WORDS? Or is it fear of anything that doesn't adhere to your dogma?

I’ve learned with incredible brutality this week that life is short. I fear nothing at this point. Words are the least of my worries.

If you have a point to make, don’t quote. I assume you are an adult. Make your point with your own words, not talking points. I’m not evil. I’d like to hear it.

Originally Posted by Amielle

I’ve learned with incredible brutality this week that life is short. I fear nothing at this point. Words are the least of my worries.

If you have a point to make, don’t quote. I assume you are an adult. Make your point with your own words, not talking points. I’m not evil. I’d like to hear it.

Sure...

For over 50 years, public unions have had collective bargaining in Wisconsin, since 1959...AND...there is no malfeasance. Teachers in Wisconsin make less than counterparts in the private sector; 25% less, and most have a higher level of education. The same for other public workers in that state. So WHERE is the malfeasance?

If the union teachers and union workers did do something wrong, then teachers and public workers should be making more, not less than private sector employees?

So why are they being singled out?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Sure...

For over 50 years, public unions have had collective bargaining in Wisconsin, since 1959...AND...there is no malfeasance. Teachers in Wisconsin make less than counterparts in the private sector; 25% less, and most have a higher level of education. The same for other public workers in that state. So WHERE is the malfeasance?

If the union teachers and union workers did do something wrong, then teachers and public workers should be making more, not less than private sector employees?

So why are they being singled out?

Again you quote. And EPI is partisan.

I want our children to be educated just as much as you. I don’t think things are working as they are. We can have a discussion about education. This is about Wisconsin.

They are being singled out because that's where the budget savings is. And a huge pension bomb set to explode in the near future.

Originally Posted by Amielle

Again you quote. And EPI is partisan.

I want our children to be educated just as much as you. I don’t think things are working as they are. We can have a discussion about education. This is about Wisconsin.

OH, I see. A piece by the same people who funded Walker's campaign and even ran his campaign is acceptable and not partisan.

You know, you're more than welcome to bring your own statistics, but you NEVER do. Instead you just emote.

Need more?



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