Thread: WI Recall of Gov. Walker Produces 1 MILLION Signatures

Originally Posted by fishjoel

How many days a year do they work and how many holidays do they have?

And don't forget benefits, salary is one thing but you have to add the benefits, it's the union benefits that are killing the states. Further per hour worked as a teacher a year is far less than a person working in the private sector. So you have to compare the salary per hours worked each year by union teacher vs private sector employee. I know you mentioned this but I was trying to tie all three elements together.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

The teachers aren't being singled out by Walker. He went after all public unions. The only people singling out teachers are the liberals because they feel they can make the strongest argument if they say, "But what about the noble teachers?". This is because people look more favorably on teachers than other jobs. In other words, only you are singling out teachers.

Walker singled out teachers, he excluded Police and firemen from his union busting.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

The teachers aren't being singled out by Walker. He went after all public unions. The only people singling out teachers are the liberals because they feel they can make the strongest argument if they say, "But what about the noble teachers?". This is because people look more favorably on teachers than other jobs. In other words, only you are singling out teachers.

Again, you are wrong. Walker did single out teachers and unions that did not support him in the election, he EXEMPTED unions that did support him.

MADISON, Wis. -- Everyone who works for the state or local governments would lose their right to negotiate everything from vacations to sick leave under Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill -- but some unions are exempted.

Walker's bill would strip state and local government employees, including teachers, custodians and game wardens, of their ability to collectively bargain everything except their wages.

But the measure carves out a special exemption for local police officers, firefighters and the Wisconsin State Patrol.

Critics said the move amounts to political payback for unions that support Walker and could create a schism between government workers.

During his campaign for governor, Walker was endorsed by the Wisconsin State Troopers, as well as the Milwaukee Police and Firefighters associations and the West Allis Professional Police.

In all, five public employee unions endorsed Walker, and four of the five are completely unharmed by Walker's budget repair bill, WISC-TV reported.

Dont you love how the so called Party of tolerance and choice the dummiecrats are the ones fighting the hardest to take away the choice of whether a person can be extorted by unions?

Originally Posted by fishjoel

How many days a year do they work and how many holidays do they have?

It is irrelevant in the context of where Wisconsin ranks nationally. CLEARLY, 50 years of collective bargaining didn't gain anything close the the highest paid teachers in the country, now did it?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

It is irrelevant in the context of where Wisconsin ranks nationally. CLEARLY, 50 years of collective bargaining didn't gain anything close the the highest paid teachers in the country, now did it?

Why should lazy idiots make as much as me? Hmm? Thats what collective bargaining means. The scumbag asshats get all the opportunities I worked for. Extortion is extortion is extortion no matter who does it.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Dont you love how the so called Party of tolerance and choice the dummiecrats are the ones fighting the hardest to take away the choice of whether a person can be extorted by unions?

Isn't it funny that right wingers constantly side with the big guy over the little guy every single time?

Let's see how states with unions compare to states that don't allow unions?

Right to Work for Less

Right to work laws lower wages for everyone. The average worker in a right to work state makes about $5,333 a year less than workers in other states ($35,500 compared with $30,167). Weekly wages are $72 greater in free-bargaining states than in right to work states ($621 versus $549). Working families in states without right to work laws have higher wages and benefit from healthier tax bases that improve their quality of life.

Federal law already protects workers who don’t want to join a union to get or keep their jobs. Supporters claim right to work laws protect employees from being forced to join unions. Don’t be fooled—federal law already does this, as well as protecting nonmembers from paying for union activities that violate their religious or political beliefs. This individual freedom argument is a sham.

Right to work endangers safety and health standards that protect workers on the job by weakening unions that help to ensure worker safety by fighting for tougher safety rules. According to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, the rate of workplace deaths is 51 percent higher in states with right to work, where unions can’t speak up on behalf of workers.

Right to work laws just aren’t fair to dues-paying members. If a nonunion worker is fired illegally, the union must use its time and money to defend him or her, even if that requires going through a costly legal process. Everyone benefits, so all should share in the process. Nonmembers can even sue the union if they think it has not represented them well enough.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Isn't it funny that right wingers constantly side with the big guy over the little guy every single time?

Let's see how states with unions compare to states that don't allow unions?

Right to Work for Less

Right to work laws lower wages for everyone. The average worker in a right to work state makes about $5,333 a year less than workers in other states ($35,500 compared with $30,167). Weekly wages are $72 greater in free-bargaining states than in right to work states ($621 versus $549). Working families in states without right to work laws have higher wages and benefit from healthier tax bases that improve their quality of life.

Federal law already protects workers who don’t want to join a union to get or keep their jobs. Supporters claim right to work laws protect employees from being forced to join unions. Don’t be fooled—federal law already does this, as well as protecting nonmembers from paying for union activities that violate their religious or political beliefs. This individual freedom argument is a sham.

Right to work endangers safety and health standards that protect workers on the job by weakening unions that help to ensure worker safety by fighting for tougher safety rules. According to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, the rate of workplace deaths is 51 percent higher in states with right to work, where unions can’t speak up on behalf of workers.

Right to work laws just aren’t fair to dues-paying members. If a nonunion worker is fired illegally, the union must use its time and money to defend him or her, even if that requires going through a costly legal process. Everyone benefits, so all should share in the process. Nonmembers can even sue the union if they think it has not represented them well enough.

Bullshit. It is all bullshit. Cause unlike most here I have worked both Union and non union jobs. The difference? Non union normally pays a good wage without the hassles and my money isnt stolen by fat lazy assholes who do nothing. Oh and another main difference....I and all my fellow employees are paid by our performance and the fat lazy asshole get fired the way it should be.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Isn't it funny that right wingers constantly side with the big guy over the little guy every single time? ...

Who is the little guy, Unions? Is that your position?

I still want an answer.

If a Union is so great, why can't it be optional? Why would I be forced to be part of the Teachers Union to be a Teacher? If the union is so great I should have the option. I agree if I am not part of the Union that I should not have any of the union benefits such as if I get fired having them help me get my job back.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Isn't it funny that right wingers constantly side with the big guy over the little guy every single time?

Let's see how states with unions compare to states that don't allow unions?

Right to Work for Less

Right to work laws lower wages for everyone. The average worker in a right to work state makes about $5,333 a year less than workers in other states ($35,500 compared with $30,167). Weekly wages are $72 greater in free-bargaining states than in right to work states ($621 versus $549). Working families in states without right to work laws have higher wages and benefit from healthier tax bases that improve their quality of life.

Federal law already protects workers who don’t want to join a union to get or keep their jobs. Supporters claim right to work laws protect employees from being forced to join unions. Don’t be fooled—federal law already does this, as well as protecting nonmembers from paying for union activities that violate their religious or political beliefs. This individual freedom argument is a sham.

Right to work endangers safety and health standards that protect workers on the job by weakening unions that help to ensure worker safety by fighting for tougher safety rules. According to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, the rate of workplace deaths is 51 percent higher in states with right to work, where unions can’t speak up on behalf of workers.

Right to work laws just aren’t fair to dues-paying members. If a nonunion worker is fired illegally, the union must use its time and money to defend him or her, even if that requires going through a costly legal process. Everyone benefits, so all should share in the process. Nonmembers can even sue the union if they think it has not represented them well enough.

In red, what a crock of BS, do you know that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is who controls the working standards across this country, not the unions. The unions have no say in dictating any safety standards to anyone as they are set by OSHA.

Occupational Safety and Health Administration - Home

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Why should lazy idiots make as much as me? Hmm? Thats what collective bargaining means. The scumbag asshats get all the opportunities I worked for. Extortion is extortion is extortion no matter who does it.

So tell me, how much should teachers make? Here are the requirements in Wisconsin to make around $45,000...

How to become a classroom teacher in Wisconsin:

• Wisconsin requires all new teachers to have a four-year BA degree from an accredited college or university.

• All classroom teachers in Wisconsin must have teacher preparation trainings from a college or university.

• You must obtain passing scores on the Praxis I, Praxis II and PreProfessional Skills Test in Reading, Writing and Mathematics.

• After being licensed in Wisconsin to be a classroom teacher, you must participate in a personal professional development program that is designed to provide ongoing learning and education for excellence in the classroom.

Originally Posted by goober

Walker singled out teachers, he excluded Police and firemen from his union busting.

Shitty teachers can't be fired, and the day you hire one they automatically make tenure. Teachers are not about teaching students, they go into permeate retirement the day they are hired, they know they can't be fired. Now that is not how the private sector works. Of course you know that..