WI Recall of Gov. Walker Produces 1 MILLION Signatures

**MeadHallPirate** · 01-28-2012

Originally Posted by goober

Well, not in NYC

If Wisconsin administrators haven't been doing their job and weeding out the bad teachers, that isn't the Union's fault, it's the administrator's fault.

Tenure is something that was bargained for, so if the school system wants to do away with tenure, pay the teachers more, give them all a 40% raise, and then fire the bad ones, and hire good ones.

Bargain for it, you can't just take it away, and if the state doesn't have the money to make the bargain, raise taxes. If you think the state has a lousy contract with the teachers, work out a new contract.
Walker just wants to walk away from contract obligations, that's not fair.

ahoy Goober,

'tis worth notin', also, that the teachers in Wisconsin are doin' a terrific job.

MADISON, Wis. -- Wisconsin ranks No. 1 when it comes to high school graduation rates, according to a National Center for Education Statistics report.

Wisconsin leads the nation with a 90.7 percent graduation rate.

"This is the second year in a row that Wisconsin has led the nation in public high school graduation rates, and our rate is up more than one percentage point from the previous year," said State Superintendent Tony Evers in a news release. "In fact, according to the NCES, over the past five years of this report, Wisconsin has been first or second in graduation rate, growing by four percentage points."

Wisconsin Ranks No. 1 In National Graduation Rate Report - Education News Story - WISC Madison

- MeadHallPirate

**goober** · 01-28-2012

Originally Posted by Forplay

In red, what a crock of BS, do you know that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is who controls the working standards across this country, not the unions. The unions have no say in dictating any safety standards to anyone as they are set by OSHA.

Occupational Safety and Health Administration - Home

And what explains the superior safety record of union coal mines over non-union mines?

**adaher** · 01-28-2012

Unions are more vigilant in protecting their members' interests than the federal government is. The OSHA is incompetent, unions have a vested interest in safety.

**thanatos144** · 01-29-2012

Originally Posted by adaher

Unions are more vigilant in protecting their members' interests than the federal government is. The OSHA is incompetent, unions have a vested interest in safety.

anyone who has ever worked in a union shop knows what you just said is a myth.

**Bfgrn** · 01-29-2012

Originally Posted by thanatos144

anyone who has ever worked in a union shop knows what you just said is a myth.

Unions have always been at the forefront of workplace safety and training workers to ply their trade safely and professionally.

"With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed"
Clarence Darrow

**Forplay** · 01-29-2012

Originally Posted by goober

And what explains the superior safety record of union coal mines over non-union mines?

You'll have to ask OSHA that question. Unions don't make up safety rules OSHA does.

**Forplay** · 01-29-2012

Originally Posted by adaher

Unions are more vigilant in protecting their members' interests than the federal government is. The OSHA is incompetent, unions have a vested interest in safety.

OSHA is a government agency under the leadership of your beloved Obama. How could any agency under Obama be incompetent? I would follow up by saying, Obama is incompetent and thus that incompetents trickles down to all his government agencies.

**9aces** · 01-29-2012

Originally Posted by Forplay

OSHA is a government agency under the leadership of your beloved Obama. How could any agency under Obama be incompetent? I would follow up by saying, Obama is incompetent and thus that incompetents trickles down to all his government agencies.

Well in Owebama's defense those agencies have been incompetent for a long time.

**thanatos144** · 01-29-2012

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Unions have always been at the forefront of workplace safety and training workers to ply their trade safely and professionally.

"With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed"
Clarence Darrow

Sorry wont buy it cause I know first hand it is bullshit. Members are bankcards to them no more they don't care if work conditions are safe.

**tsquare** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Wisconsin State Journal

Organizers file more than 1 million signatures to recall Walker

Hardball with Chris Matthews

Organizers filed over 1 million signatures in today's deadline in the Wisconsin effort to recall Gov. Scott Walker.

Only 540,000 were required while Walker opponents had targeted 720,000 to make sure they would have enough in case of any invalid signatures.

What's more, there are enough signatures to recall the state's Lieutenant Governor and 4 state senate Republicans including the majority leader.

Scott Walker says this recall election will be "one of the defining moments in the national political landscape". He's right about that.

Oh, and by the way... it was all a lie.

Officials with the Verify the Recall effort inform me that the total signatures delivered to the Government Accountability Board last month was somewhere between 850 and 860k, nowhere near the 1 million milestone proclaimed by organizers and repeated by the media.

Hee...

» Busting the Million Signature Myth-Recallers Filed Fewer than 860k Signatures Against Scott Walker - Big Government

**michael h** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Sorry wont buy it cause I know first hand it is bullshit. Members are bankcards to them no more they don't care if work conditions are safe.

You will be shocked lol ... we agree on this labor issue. Most unions don't do jackshit for safety. They do collect dues though ... even when your laid off.

Many companies made huge strides in safety for their employees ... question the motivation (lower insurance rates ... ) if you want, but in the end a lot of effort comes from the companies themselves. My union shop (carpenters and joiners) had three employees cut fingers off ... on the same fucken table saw. However my next company stressed safety to the point you were puking it ... they also paid for about 80 employees to go to the Dupont Safety Training course, a 40 hr course. Guess what ... non-union shop. There ain't shit wrong with OSHA either they do a damn good job.

**tsquare** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by michael h

There ain't shit wrong with OSHA either they do a damn good job.

I understand that OSHA is much better in an industrial setting than on a construction site. My experience with them, is at the very best, is 'mixed'

**michael h** · 02-28-2012

Originally Posted by tsquare

I understand that OSHA is much better in an industrial setting than on a construction site. My experience with them, is at the very best, is 'mixed'

I wasn't in construction ... I made roof trusses (union), so I really don't have the experience of a construction site. The industrial job was nonunion and I really have to commend them for safety improvements ... not perfect ... yet exceptional. After a Dupont safety class I actually ran into my plant manager and asked him what the problem was ... I needed an electric chain hoist installed so my workers didn't have to lift heavy fixtures. As I had used proper channels already ... I wanted an explanation from him why I should take safety seriously. He apologized and a couple hours later I had a maintenance team installing the hoist. That's the type of response I had come to expect and almost demand ... in a nonunion shop.

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